Excuse me I must sleep a little lol, I said , I WANT KNOW if you ever see Richard Ramirez recently when you are at SAN QUENTIN(visit block east) , because I have a doubt in his health, thank you!

When I went to visit my son on February 10th, I saw a man that looked familiar to me but I couldn't figure out why. He looked in good health. He was sitting in one of the non-contact visiting rooms cells, waiting for a visitor. I didn't think much of it until I saw your message asking about Richard Ramirez. I went on the internet to see if I could find a picture of him. After looking at the picture, I am sure that is who I saw.

Hope this helps you. :)

Thanks you very much lol, he don't have glasses?

His hair was long or short?

Who is Richard Rameriz? Just curious...

http://www.angelfire.com/ca/serialmurder/RichardRamirez.html

http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/streiber/273/ramirez_mo.htm

It is hard finding an unbiased web site, but at least these will tell you who he is!

(We can post web sites as long as they pertain to the question, right?)

Richard Ramirez, the press dubbed him the nickname "The Night Stalker" because he would stalk peoples houses at night, break in, murder, rape, sodomize, and burglarize the people that lived there.

On September 1, 1985, police finally identified Richard Ramirez as "The Night Stalker" and posted his picture on the front page of many newspapers in California. That afternoon an angry mob of people captured and beat him after he attempeted to steal a car.

In 1989, Ramirez was convicted on 13 counts of murder, and was sentenced to death. Ramirez is currently awaiting execution at San Quentin Prison.

To answer your question, when I saw Richard at SQ non-contact visiting area, he was not wearing glasses and his hair was almost down to his shoulders.:)

This thread just jumped out at me while I was viewing new posts. I dont visit at SQ, but that would be so crazy to see someone "famous" in the visiting room like Richard Ramirez. I wonder if his wife or anybody else can have contact visits with him...???

Man, this took me back. Richard Ramirez, the "Night Stalker" had me absolutley terrified when he was out killing people. He had gone into peoples houses not far from mine and I was just so scared, I was like 11 years old and this was when I first found out what a "serial killer" was. I have to admit that watching the news is what put the most fear in me. If I ever saw him I would be more curious than anything else. He for sure made an impression on me as a child after they caught him I had dreams of his face for weeks. In H.S. I read about serial killers and mass murderers and learned alot, that is why I would be curious if I saw him. It's not that they are "bad people" they are "sick" people that need help. Thanks for taking me back to 1985.

Thanks for your reply, I think he don't can have access to a phone and don't have visit contacts lol.

Why shouldn't he be able to have contact visits or access to a phone marjo18????

Lyle Menendez is currently incarcerated at Mule Creek State Prison in Ione, CA. I go there to see my baby about every two weeks or so...sometimes more, and every visit I believe Lyle Menendez and his fairly new wife have been in the visiting room too. He is one of the Menendez Brothers who shot both of their parents to death a few years back. His brother is in a different California prison. Both of them have married in prison. Just thought I'd share a famous criminal..:rolleyes: Ha Ha! Take care all...Diane.

I thought I saw him, when I was looking for my fiance. I jumped back about five feet, I was quite frightened by the whole night stalker thing as a child. But I wasn't sure if it was him.


Excuse me I must sleep a little lol, I said , I WANT KNOW if you ever see Richard Ramirez recently when you are at SAN QUENTIN(visit block east) , because I have a doubt in his health, thank you!

Man, this took me back. Richard Ramirez, the "Night Stalker" had me absolutley terrified when he was out killing people. He had gone into peoples houses not far from mine and I was just so scared, I was like 11 years old and this was when I first found out what a "serial killer" was. I have to admit that watching the news is what put the most fear in me. If I ever saw him I would be more curious than anything else. He for sure made an impression on me as a child after they caught him I had dreams of his face for weeks. In H.S. I read about serial killers and mass murderers and learned alot, that is why I would be curious if I saw him. It's not that they are "bad people" they are "sick" people that need help. Thanks for taking me back to 1985.

Yes I'm with you on this one girl, I was terrifed as a child of "the night stalker." I'm 26 years old now and I must have been in my teens when he was out. I remember everynight before I went to bed I would make sure all the doors and windows were locked in the house. Every noise I heard would freak me out. I also would be curious if I were to see him.

Excuse me I must sleep a little lol, I said , I WANT KNOW if you ever see Richard Ramirez recently when you are at SAN QUENTIN(visit block east) , because I have a doubt in his health, thank you!
richard ramirez has been in the visiting room. i believe that is actually his wife that goes to visit him.

Lyle Menendez is currently incarcerated at Mule Creek State Prison in Ione, CA. I go there to see my baby about every two weeks or so...sometimes more, and every visit I believe Lyle Menendez and his fairly new wife have been in the visiting room too. He is one of the Menendez Brothers who shot both of their parents to death a few years back. His brother is in a different California prison. Both of them have married in prison. Just thought I'd share a famous criminal..:rolleyes: Ha Ha! Take care all...Diane.
ive seen the menendez brother, but when i saw him he was in new folsom. i think he is married and he was there the day i saw him with his wife. hey these famous people always somehow find these wives...scott peterson will probably find one too........

no doubt about what you said about Scott Peterson. I just heard on the news that that there have been a lot of women calling up there to get the address to write him and visit him. He had already been getting a lot of mail in the county jail, and death row won't be an exception.

does anyone know if he had a execution date yet? i hear his appeals end in october of this year.

No , there is no date set ... His appeals do run out in Oct. but theres always time ....I dont belive he will be executed anytime soon .

When I Go To See My Love In Mule Creek I See Lyle Menendez All The Time Ive Talked To His Wife A Couple Of Times In Line To Get In, I Know The First Time I Saw Them It Was Weird But Now There Just Another Couple.

I am not in California, but have read books about both "The Night Stalker" and the Menendez brothers. The book about Mr. Ramirez..........WOW. It was most definitely interesting.

Eric is the brother at New Folsom.



KellyA.

Yes , The Book "The Night Stalker " was well written , It told all sides about Richard .

i write regularly with Richard Ramirez. always very short letters but quite an interesting guy.

Is everyone talking about Richard's execution?
**Isn't there people ahead of him?

I saw Andrew Luster At Salinas valley when my fiancee was there, he was behind the glass. I spoke to his mother for a few moments. that was weird. I also saw Shawn penn visiting an inmate that was really neat to see he had a young boy with him.

yes there are people ahead of him , and the longer it take the better i think .:)

On October 3, 1996, Doreen Lioy, 41, got married to Death Row inmate Richard Ramirez, 36, "The Night Stalker," in a simple and tasteful ceremony in San Quentin's waiting room. Lioy, a free-lance editor who works part-time for teen magazines, lives in a houseboat, has bachelor's degree in English literature, and is said to have an IQ of 152. She doesn't smoke or curse and claims to still be a virgin. Ramirez, on the other hand, who is into Satanism and heavy metal, has been convicted of 13 rape/murders in Los Angeles and has another count pending in San Francisco.

On the day of the wedding the bride showed up at the prison gates in a white wedding dress with chiffon sleeves accompanied by two attorneys. Ramirez, wearing starched prison blues with no restraints, was joined by his brother, his sister and his 17-year-old niece.

The ceremony was held in the prison's main visiting room. There were about 60 or so prisoners and their visitors standing by oblivious to the proceedings. Two other inmates also got married. But Richard was the first to tie the knot. The wedding was not religious -- a simple rite with Joseph Ramirez acting as best man. There was no maid of honor, and no one from the Lioy family showed up. After making their vows, the happy couple exchanged rings, and were introduced as Mr. and Mrs. Richard Ramirez. Then, they kissed.

Doreen was first attracted to Richard in 1985 when she saw a picture of him in the paper wearing a bandage The devoted lover, she wrote 75 letters to her jailhouse Romeo. Nine months later, she was allowed to visit him for the first time. They first got engaged in 1988, but prison regulations delayed the wedding. Sadly for the newlyweds Death Row inmates are not allowed to enjoy conjugal visits, therefore making the consummation of their love an impossibility.

As the glowing bride emerged from the prison, she told the waiting throng of cameramen and reporters, "I just want to say I am ecstatically happy today and very, very proud to have married Richard and be his wife. And I hope that you will be very respectful of the day and let me go and enjoy my day in peace."

Ok he is not likely to be as courageous now as he was with gun and unshackled and handcuffed, Come on people. We are not crazy. He is good looking. So was Charles Mansion in his time! Rameriz is guilty and admitted so.I am studying sociology so I can study crimonology after 2 more classes. He is guilty and admits it, so why are women saying OH he is not guilty?
He is cute and gorgeous so what! He is also married. And she has to be nut! Is anyone really on here looking saying, hey maybe i can find anyone who will want me, maybe a serial killer? I am not saying not write him if u feel compelled to, but come on, most are sexually attracted and He is Married. Waht if ur married and someone wanted ur man? Or maybe u would not care?
I sure as hell would.

Also disgustingly, I can get my Night Stalker book and quote how a girl got hot and horney basically when he described killing and all the blood in the book

I am not at liberty to comment on his and Doreens Marriage . Nor would I if i could .
Richard does get letters from "groupies " who do need some serious medication.
But , he also get mail from Family and friends , a very select few , whom he is close to.
He knows why he is there , and rightfully admitts it ,,, thoes of his Fan base that belive he is totaly innosent ,,, well :rolleyes: .... you get my point.

No matter , he is a human , and deserves love and friend ship , like anyone else .

Ok.. seriously.. who here would hang out w/ him, or Manson alone--no gaurds or cuffs?

Heck no..!

ok, i must have missed something, when did he admit he was guilty?

In some interviews he has expressed , thoughts and actions of the crimes .

then On the flip side , totaly rejected the act of doing them .....

Despite all , he is who he is , and as I have said befor , has needs and wants

like everyone else.

I have a penpal at SQ death row and use to visit him every year during my one month stay in California. Last September, I attended Scott Peterson’s trial in Redwood City. I currently live in Paris, France, but my husband has been teaching a long time at Stanford University and misses California, that’s why we spend a month a year over there.

In France, Scott Peterson’s story was also a big thing and I was happy to make it past the lottery and see the actual trial and see how justice works in the United States…

In my past visits at SQ, I have never seen Richard Ramirez neither his wife and when I go to California, I go to visit my penpal twice a week for 4 hours visit since I come from Europe, so I wonder if he’s allowed to have “normal” visits… that will probably be the case with Scott Peterson who’s a high profile case. As far as I know, a lot of women have tried to reach him and he’s receiving tons of letters per day but so far, only his family is visiting him.

I’m not visiting my friend in SQ this year because I have another penpal in Texas death row who lost his Federal appeal… so he’s running out of time and I want to see him before it’s too late. All the best to all of you, Catherine.

I don't think that Richard Ramirez deserves anything. I was 9 years old when his terrorizing began. I am now 29 years old and to this day when I close my eyes I see his retched face. I have been terrified to be by myself at night ever since the story broke. I still have nightmares about him. I was a child sleeping with a BB gun under my pillow for fear that I was going to be killed before the morning. I don't see him apologizing for the trauma that he has done to me. I am not saying that people don't deserve a second chance. My own boyfriend is in jail, but come on folks. He is sick and demented and is he ever really gonna be an asset to society???

I apologize if I sound cruel and heartless. Maybe some of you didn't live in so cal, wondering if your house was going to be next. I am interested in what his friends have to say about him.

Everyone just a quick reminder:

Per the PTO guidlines, when posting please remember that PTO is a place for support and we are not here to judge others for their choices, decisions or things we do not agree with. Though you may not care for Richard Ramirez please remember that we have all types of members here on PTO. Some are mothers, fathers, girlfriends, boyfriends, wives, husbands, sisters, brothers, friends, Correction Officers, etc....and Richard's wife Doreen or his family members may also be members and we need to respect that. So please keep in mind that just as much as you wouldn't appreciate others speaking negatively about your loved one, they wouldn't want the same done here on PTO either.

Now please get back to the title of this thread....."Do you ever see Richard Ramirez when you visit your husband at San Quentin."

Yeah, Menendez is on A yard. I used to see him every time I went to Mule Creek. He sure doesn't look like the scared little preppy they showed on TV during the trial!! He is one big boy now, and shaved head, too. But it's him. I've heard he has a bit more attitude than people like though.

I remeber richard ramirez also when i was in california.. my school would warn us about it and tell us to lock our doors and windows.
If i'm not mistaken he is in the AC now and can only have visit behind glass.

Yes the AC is NO contact .

Hey everyone, I stumbled across this forum and thought it a good way to get in touch and or get info on my Uncle Richie. I would like to know how to get in touch with him, or have him contact me as my family has forbid me to do so. I realize there are an awful lot of girls that try to contact him and this may hinder my progress. If anyone has visited a boyfriend recently in SQ and seen my Uncle, could you please for one, let me know how he is doing ,and how I could get in touch with him. Is he able to make phone calls? Is it possible to call SQ and have them let him know I want to contact him and have him call me? Any info is greatly appreciated. I have written him once but he was in a different "cellblock" if thats what they are called and I have since lost contact. Anyone with an inmate that is in contact with him please let him know Lisa will be writing and if I can get a contact address for him.. This is very important as I have heard his execution is this year. I hope to god its not true. Please lt me know any info. Thanks so much.

Hello and welcome to PTO, Lisa! I would call SQ and ask to speak to your uncle's counselor and go from that point. It is easier to begin the process that way and have the counselor send your uncle a note. I hope this helps and that you get in contact. I am a fellow New Yorker, so extra big New York welcome to you. :)

This is very interesting -- I remember when Ramirez got married. I read several articles about his wife, and most of them said that she did not come across as a "death row groupie" (whatever that is) but that she seemed to be genuinely very much in love with him and happy to be married to him.

There is someone for everyone out there. Who are we to say what she felt when she met him? It's not a situation for everyone, admittedly, but if they really loved each other and it was legal for them to marry, then more power to them. I read that her family was not at all supportive -- she even had a twin sister who would not talk to her after the news of the wedding broke in the press. I thought that was sad.

Does anyone know if they are still married?

Yes - still married.

Hi,
I hoping someone can help me. Does Death Row inmates have access to a computer? There is this guy who claims to be Richard Ramirez on my space.com & now I'm confused because I have been writing Richard for a while now and he has told me he has no access to phone or computer but this guy on my space says he does and 90% of his mail gets stolen from other inmates. Which leaves me with doubt:confused: Is this guy on my space pretending to be Richard, or is the guy I've been writing to pretending to be Richard. I tested the guy on my space and the weird thing is that something Richard has said to me in one of our letters is what the guy had said to me. Which leaves me completed confused now...Thank you, Hope someone can help me with this....vampvixen58

No they do not have access to a computer. And I am sure that no one has 90% of their letters stolen either, especially by other inmates.

check your PM ...

No computer, let alone internet access for SQ inmates... I think your Myspace guy just doesn't have a life and I wouldn't believe a word he says... sorry hunny

It really is funny when someone says the are online at San Q ... right then you know , what a FOOL ! ....LOL
and to pretend to be R R ... thats funny

you asked the question i was afraid to ask.. thanks

My son has a friend doing life at Folsom prison now. He is a young good looking guy, and very nice. He did not hurt anybody but unfortunately he took some new people he did not know well at all to visit some other friends and the new people pulled out guns, held some of the old friends captive, robbed and beat them. He was the ONLY one arrested even though he had no gun and he is serving LIFE in prison now at the age of 23. I have copies of the news article that states he was the only one arrested. Nobody was killed or shot or stabbed or anything...just scared the hell out of them and they got robbed. Anyway, I ran across his on Myspace.com and it said he was ONLINE....I wondered how that could be!! I wrote to him and the next day I got email back. His sister set the site up for him and runs it. She hopes that will make it easy for his friends to write to him. She prints out any email and sends it to him so he can have some kind of contact. I think it is a good idea and nice of his sister but it does make it appear he is online when in fact he is not. By the way...anybody wants to write to this nice good looking 23 year old guy who was into producing music....look him up on myspace.com His name is HollywoodJake. :)

you asked the question i was afraid to ask.. thanks
please write him and ask....we dont have updates on these men you are interested in, thanks.

I've seen Richard Ramirez a couple times when I was visiting my finance in DR on a Thrs or Fri. He is behind glass and when I looked at him while we was waiting for his visit, he smiled and mouthed the word 'hello'. I asked my fiance why he didn't have regular contact visits like others on DR. Because, afterall, how you are treated and classified on the row depends on how you act while incarcerated - it is not based on you crimes (except, of course, high profile inmates are all put together in yard four - for their protection from other inmates). Anyway... my fiance told me that he heard that Ramirez used to have the same rights as others on the row until he started exposing himself to the female guards and got put back in the AC.

:eek: Richard Ramirez :eek: He was on my street the night before he got caught,
the police had to wait in front of my house while I locked the doors and they went door to door, my daughter was a baby then!
I know alot about him
cause I found out he was related to some I knew

Richard is doing well as for the reasons he is in the AC really isn't important .

http://www.angelfire.com/ca/serialmurder/RichardRamirez.html

http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/streiber/273/ramirez_mo.htm

It is hard finding an unbiased web site, but at least these will tell you who he is!

(We can post web sites as long as they pertain to the question, right?)
What do you mean by unbiased?

Richard is doing well as for the reasons he is in the AC really isn't important .
Oh, really?
In June and July, three more women were killed. Two had their throats slit, one was beaten to death, and all three had their homes invaded in the process. On July 20 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_20) he again struck twice. In Sun Valley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Valley%2C_Los_Angeles%2C_California) he killed a 32-year-old man, beat and raped his wife, and proceeded to sodomize (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy) their 8-year-old son while making his bleeding mother listen. Later in the same day, Ramirez shot to death a Glendale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glendale%2C_California) couple aged in their 60s.
Nice guy. I know we are supposed to be supportive but let's tell the truth. Denial is not our friend. No one ever supported me by lying to me.

This info you posted is off web pages of incorrect info .
This is a support site , no matter who or what the person has done ...

Richard is doing well as for the reasons he is in the AC really isn't important .


T Santi - you are absolutely correct. I shouldn't have posted what I did. I was just trying to give what information I could. I should have stopped and thought about it and then I would have realized that the information that I do have could possibly be second-hand gossip and I have no idea if it is a fact. I trust my fiance and his knowledge, but I don't know the people who gave him the information. But, you're right... even if it is true... Who Cares!! PTO - accept my apology and I will be more careful in the future.

T-Santi is correct this is a support site for all no matter what their loved one has or has not done and no matter if we agree with it or not.
Please keep that in mind when posting
Thank you

Man, this took me back. Richard Ramirez, the "Night Stalker" had me absolutley terrified when he was out killing people. He had gone into peoples houses not far from mine and I was just so scared, I was like 11 years old and this was when I first found out what a "serial killer" was. (Snipped mercilessly) Thanks for taking me back to 1985.

Yeah, me, too, but "My First Serial Killer" was the "Hillside Strangler"...we were living in Pomona at the time and I was just barely old enough to understand what the news was about.... Ramirez's case not quite a decade later brought back all that uncomprehending fear for me.... Funny the events that shape some of our childhoods....

Excuse me I must sleep a little lol, I said , I WANT KNOW if you ever see Richard Ramirez recently when you are at SAN QUENTIN(visit block east) , because I have a doubt in his health, thank you!
Richard is in good health and he does have contact visits. I see him often during my visits. Scott Peterson is also fine, I see him every week during my visits.

Richard is in good health and he does have contact visits. I see him often during my visits. Scott Peterson is also fine, I see him every week during my visits.
Thats great, but how do you know SP is "single" like you pointed out in an earlier post, thats pretty personal.

People do talk to each other tulip.

Richard is in good health and he does have contact visits. I see him often during my visits. Scott Peterson is also fine, I see him every week during my visits.
Richard is in the AC unit ... they have NO contacts visits . Did things change ?

People do talk to each other tulip.
Of course they do. :confused:

Of course they do. :confused:Its ok TulipGirl, I have the same question, maybe EddiesGirl can answer it for us. :)

Its ok TulipGirl, I have the same question, maybe EddiesGirl can answer it for us. :)

I have spoken with his parents while waiting for release after visiting on several occasions and I also do legal work at the prison. SP is indeed single, if you can count being a widower as single. In order to marry behind the walls he must apply for marriage approval, just like everyone else. He has never done so as of this date.

RE: Richard Ramirez

I've heard from someone who has been a long-term visitor to SQ that he's in the advanced stages of emphysema.

Richard is fine ....I will leave it at that ... sorry I cant say more

I happen to know personally the woman whose husband was killed, son was sodomized. She was brutally beaten and raped by Richard Ramirez. So I can not be supportive of him. But I will do as PTO asks and not post my feelings about him.
As for her she is doing well in her life, she is a physcian assistant and works in a Dr.'s office. I don't know how she does it. She is a wonderful person in spite of RR.
I also remember that hot summer when we were all terroized by him. Everyone slept with their windows closed and locked despite the heat. Well almost everyone.

I happen to know personally the woman whose husband was killed, son was sodomized. She was brutally beaten and raped by Richard Ramirez. So I can not be supportive of him. But I will do as PTO asks and not post my feelings about him.
As for her she is doing well in her life, she is a physcian assistant and works in a Dr.'s office. I don't know how she does it. She is a wonderful person in spite of RR.
I also remember that hot summer when we were all terroized by him. Everyone slept with their windows closed and locked despite the heat. Well almost everyone.



#1. There are TWO condemned inmates at San Quentin with the name RICHARD RAMIREZ. TWO different men. TWO different crimes. TWO completely different entities. ONE man is high profile. The OTHER man is listed on some penpal sites. Unless you know with certainty which RICHARD RAMIREZ the poster has inquired about I suggest you keep your thoughts in regards to the crimes and victims to yopurself.

#2. As for the person you know personally, this thread wasn't asking about her.

#3. As far as your comment, and I quote ...."She is a wonderful person in spite of RR." Im sure MR. RAMIREZ (BOTH OF THEM) are wonderful men in spite of being on DR. And the high profile RICHARD RAMIREZ, he must be a wonderful person too, cause I saw his lovely wife in visiting and she has stood by him with loyalty for all these years. I do hope your friend finds someone as loyal.

Just a friendly reminder before this thread gets too heated that we are all here for support. Please take into consideration the feelings of others before posting something that may be derogatory in any manner.
Just a brush up on PTO Policies and Rules may be of help to all of us.
http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23755

Now back to the thread topic: Do you ever see Richard Ramirez when you visit your husbands at San Quentin?

He is fine. I saw him a few weeks back - the high profile Richard. I've known him for quite awhile.

#1. There are TWO condemned inmates at San Quentin with the name RICHARD RAMIREZ. TWO different men. TWO different crimes. TWO completely different entities. ONE man is high profile. The OTHER man is listed on some penpal sites. Unless you know with certainty which RICHARD RAMIREZ the poster has inquired about I suggest you keep your thoughts in regards to the crimes and victims to yopurself.

#2. As for the person you know personally, this thread wasn't asking about her.

#3. As far as your comment, and I quote ...."She is a wonderful person in spite of RR." Im sure MR. RAMIREZ (BOTH OF THEM) are wonderful men in spite of being on DR. And the high profile RICHARD RAMIREZ, he must be a wonderful person too, cause I saw his lovely wife in visiting and she has stood by him with loyalty for all these years. I do hope your friend finds someone as loyal.


I am sorry, but I think that this post is just a bit to harsh in regards to the victims.

Matter of fact, I think that we ALL should talk a little bit more about the victims that our loved ones HAVE hurt instead of walking around acting like they don't exist.


Denise

Let me remind everyone that no one wants to see their loved one's dirty laundry aired here on PTO. We are here to support each other (members with loved one's in prison) My heart also goes out to victims but PTO is not the place for it. Keep this in mind before you post or just don't post. Love Barb

I just finished the lastest book- The NightStalker. Im curious to know how long is Richard Ramirez going to be still alive on Death Row? Does he write back to people when they write to him?

I am sorry but I think that first question is tasteless. I hope he there won't be another single execution in any country no matter what.

I personally disfavor execution anywhere. I have sympathy for Richard Ramirez to stay alive, and maybe visit him someday. No human deserves to be executed. I know he gets tons of mail everyday.

OMG I was on the court bus back when he first got arrested in Orange County.

Hiya... wow not sure what i would do if i saw RR saying that like i am in the u.k. so it would be a shock lol.... but i guess i would be in shock as much as if i saw Tom "oh my god i am so sexy marry me jennie" Cruise or Colin "grrrr rugged men are yummy" farrell.....its just the shock of seeing a face u "know" i guess................oh i'll just quickly add lol i am very against the Death Penalty btw xx i believe in LWOP but not the DP...

Love Jennie xx

Tinkr30 I agree with you. We are just people and everyone has feelings especially the victims. They (most) have done the crimes and that will be forever attached to them.

I am against the death penalty.

Tinkr30 I agree with you. We are just people and everyone has feelings especially the victims. They (most) have done the crimes and that will be forever attached to them.



Not everyone on death row is guilty OlliePunky !!:blah:

Not everyone on death row is guilty OlliePunky !!:blah:

Unfortunately dolphina you are so right. Sad isn't it?

okay against the death penalty on certain issues.. i dont want offend anyone.. but a child predator i then am for it.. any one who puts a child through anytype of tortue , rape and including sodomy.. has no sympathy or empathy in my book.. sorry but thats the way i feel.. rapist are similar to that feeling.. richard ramierz is guilty and doesnt care.. he violated many woman.. as did jeffery dalmer (except for they were boys/men) he recieved his justice.. getting killed in prison.. i dont know.. maybe i am wrong.. but crimes of that such.. and there is no possible way you could prove your innocence.. then i feel as though..... sympathy... whats that?! you know what i mean?

So, if there is no possible way of proving your innocence.. does that make you guilty straight away? How do you know R.R. is not sorry for it now? Did you talk to him? Did you know that rapist, child molesters are ill and would need psychological attention rather than death. What makes one illness worse than the other? Who wants to draw a line. How can it be justice when its proven that countries with no DP have less crime than countries with DP. What makes you better than the "killer" if you want people to get killed?
I don't want to offend anyone either but really I am sick that people are pulled through dirt here as soon as their crime is not the usual thing, and that without knowing all the facts and just going by what the media put out at the time. Yet when the face fits you can read from the same people that the media is rubbish and lies. Richard Ramirez is married. Maybe his wife is here looking for support. Ever thought about that?

okay against the death penalty on certain issues.. i dont want offend anyone.. but a child predator i then am for it.. any one who puts a child through anytype of tortue , rape and including sodomy.. has no sympathy or empathy in my book.. sorry but thats the way i feel.. rapist are similar to that feeling.. richard ramierz is guilty and doesnt care.. he violated many woman.. as did jeffery dalmer (except for they were boys/men) he recieved his justice.. getting killed in prison.. i dont know.. maybe i am wrong.. but crimes of that such.. and there is no possible way you could prove your innocence.. then i feel as though..... sympathy... whats that?! you know what i mean?

I can tell you right now I'm proble going to offend you.....I don't believe anyone has the right to play god with someone else's life :angry: especially if your doing it in the name of "Justice" weather it's the state doing it or another inmate. If a crime is committed there does need to be punishment for it that's what prisons are for. And all crimes are wrong, that's why ist's a crime!

Mann'sQueen I seen your married to an inmate.....How would you feel if there was "prison Justice" done on your man?

This entire thread is offensive. This is supposed to be a SUPPORT site. Richard is an inmate on DR at SQ just like the next. His family and friends DO browse this site for info and support, and experience the same struggles and pain as everyone else with a loved one on DR . Have some respect. If you want to rant about the death penalty and who deserves it take it elsewhere. It is incredible to read ON THESE BOARDS someone going on about what Richard does and doesn't do or feel who quite obviously doesn't know him or any of his family at all.

This entire thread is offensive. This is supposed to be a SUPPORT site. Richard is an inmate on DR at SQ just like the next. His family and friends DO browse this site for info and support, and experience the same struggles and pain as everyone else with a loved one on DR . Have some respect. If you want to rant about the death penalty and who deserves it take it elsewhere. It is incredible to read ON THESE BOARDS someone going on about what Richard does and doesn't do or feel who quite obviously doesn't know him or any of his family at all.



WELL SAID!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I am so sad to read the comments made here ... thoes of you who said such vile things so be ashamed. Everyone NO matter what the crime , still has family and loved one out there ....

I know if this thread was about my loved one Id be pretty upset. Someone should really close this thread.

I know if this thread was about my loved one Id be pretty upset. Someone should really close this thread.
I agree with you Dolphina. Closing this thread and refraining from starting threads like these would be best for all those that have close friends and family in prison. PTO is about useful information and support not gossipy nonsense like this.

When our members step up and do such a great job of reminding each other that PTO is a SUPPORT site, there's less need for threads to be closed... on days when I get frustrated by those who feel the need to make hurtful remarks here, it always helps me keep perspective to see those who respectfully but firmly put the tone back on track... Well Done, Ladies!

The question here is "Do you ever see Richard Ramirez when you visit your husbands at San Quentin?" If you are not answering this question you are posting in the WRONG thread. Barb

I read this entire thread. I have to say it is an interesting and thought provoking thread. My heart goes out to all who have been affected by the notorious actions of the mentioned convict. It is my belief that love and compassion are learned by having the experience of love and compassion gifted upon one's self. My admiration to those who posses the strength to love so unconditionally, for this is the path to exhaltation for all. May God always be with you.
Sincerely.
hisfriend . . . and yours

Let me remind everyone that no one wants to see their loved one's dirty laundry aired here on PTO. We are here to support each other (members with loved one's in prison) My heart also goes out to victims but PTO is not the place for it. Keep this in mind before you post or just don't post. Love Barb

Part of all the love and concern for the inmate is helping them acknowledge loss...and understand empathy..I do not have aloved one in prison..I support prison reform..and better treatment of prisoners..but pretending they do not have victims..only alienates anyone with compassion for the inmate..:o

God is the judge of us all I leave it at that!!!!!!!!!!!

I saw him on the 4th of July. Sit'n right next to my husband in the booth next door. His wife was and is always there. She is very nice and friendly, always. So the answer is YES - I see him all the time. I see a bunch of people there. We all actually try and take care of each other, help each other. It makes a difficult situation pleasant.

J.G.

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Good Post ThursdaygirlI saw him on the 4th of July. Sit'n right next to my husband in the booth next door. His wife was and is always there. She is very nice and friendly, always. So the answer is YES - I see him all the time. I see a bunch of people there. We all actually try and take care of each other, help each other. It makes a difficult situation pleasant.

J.G.

I saw on a MySpace of Richard Ramirez(created by someone)~ a comment a friend posted saying- "The California Supreme Court upheld the convictions and death sentence Monday for serial killer Richard Ramirez whose so-called Night Stalker killing spree terrorized the Los Angeles area in the mid-1980's"

Can anyone here tell me if thats true? Any information about this will be greatly appreciated. Thank You

You can find an article on CNN about that. His appeal was turned down. But he has plenty left.

Thank you Schmusi34. I checked on the CNN article. It also said his execution is not likely to be scheduled for years.

I saw on a MySpace of Richard Ramirez(created by someone)~ a comment a friend posted saying- "The California Supreme Court upheld the convictions and death sentence Monday for serial killer Richard Ramirez whose so-called Night Stalker killing spree terrorized the Los Angeles area in the mid-1980's"

Can anyone here tell me if thats true? Any information about this will be greatly appreciated. Thank You


With all due respect, MySpace? Try not to get your "news" from MySpace. Although what was said was true, getting your news from MySpace is like getting your wedding dress from Target. You're just better off not going there. :blah:

Richard Ramirez has many MySpace sites. They are created by people that are extreme fans of him. I doubt this something like this would be a lie, they maybe mistaken...which thats why I asked if it was true or not. But, in most cases I think they would know about someone they like alot.:D

The news that his sentence was fully upheld is true. But 99.9% of the other stuff you see on their is groupie garbage. Best to get your "news" from a reputable news source (like the San Francisco newspaper) - or one of the prosecution or defense teams (if you have connections). It was common knowledge, and in all the papers, that his sentence was upheld. But think about all the stuff you read/hear about Michael Jackson, Brad Pitt, anyone who's "famous". Most of it is trash, and they'll tell you that. Unless you hear something from Richard, his family or true friends, I wouldn't believe ANYTHING. A good number of people here know what their talking about. So it's good that you're at least here. But MySpace is no good - unless you want to get stalked by a 50 year old pretending to be a 18 year old. Or get your identity ripped off. Or run off to the Middle East with someone who you've "fallen in love" with and then end up dead. This generation will figure all of this out sooner or later. You don't type your entire life online. Get it?

Although you make an excellent point, in Richard's case is serious because hes not some actor or singer etc. But, here on People are much more mature & know the facts. Again, thats why I found out for sure.

anyone see scott peterson?

I realize this reply comes a little bit late, but I wanted to correct some information posted here about Richard. He was moved late last year from San Quentin's Adjustment Center to East Block, but our visits are still non-contact and have been so for over six years now. As for the rumor he is suffering from emphysema, it is untrue; nor does he have lung cancer. Thank you for the opportunity to set the record straight.

What sentence did he get? just wondering

Doreen
Welcome to PTO:)

on my last visit i saw scott peterson

Thank you for the welcome!

I understand this site is for "support" so I won't say exactly what's on my mind, but I would love to know why so many people are "fans" of Richard Ramirez. I mean, can anyone answer that. I have never before heard it said that he is innocent. Fans? I just don't get that at all.

Welcome to PTO Doreen

Doreen, Welcome to PTO.
I have to say I rather envy you being able to live so close to your spouse and in one of the lovliest places in the world(I miss the California coast so badly my heart aches some mornings when I wake to no fog, and the bay area is among my favorite places)... I'm glad to hear that the rumours about Mr. Ramirez's health are just that.. rumours.

Excuse me, PTO is not just for the the loved ones of innocent people in prison. I am sure the vast majority of prisoners represented at PTO by their loved ones are not innocent, they are human beings loved by others. Love Barb

I understand this site is for "support" so I won't say exactly what's on my mind, but I would love to know why so many people are "fans" of Richard Ramirez. I mean, can anyone answer that. I have never before heard it said that he is innocent. Fans? I just don't get that at all.

I know, my husband is doing LWOP for murder. he is not innocent. I just used the innocent thing as a possible reason that someone would be a "fan" of Richard Ramirez.

Wow, I haven't heard that name in forever (Richard Ramirez). I remember hearing about "The Nighstalker" when I was six years old, he murdered someone in my neighborhood when I lived in the city. I was horrified because my bed was near the window and there was a drain pipe that anyone could have climbed and I remember not sleeping for weeks horrified he was going to come get me. They caught him on my seventh birthday, I can't believe that was 21 years ago...and he's STILL on death row? Insane...

PTO is a place for people to come and not be judged or questioned about their reason for being here. Everyone is welcome here and should feel welcome. We have no way of knowing whose loved ones come to PTO and no matter who they are we should be showing the utmost love and respect to everyone. Love Barb

I agree with Barb. PTO is a place for support and respect to all. The majority of us all have a loved one who is incarcerated, and we need to stick together. We get enough of the shuns and non-supportive remarks from people on the streets. Let's all try to look past the crimes, and just look at the people who come to this site for support. You'll be surprised at how much we all have in common. :)

William'sBaby:heart:

When a case is of such high profile, it can be difficult to remember that the people concerned are just as "real" as those of us connected to less notorious matters but the spouses, friends, and families of the notorious are just as heartsick as the rest of us with the added "joy" of having had their heartaches become the topic of international headlines.
No matter how well publicized a case is, I hope we can manage not to post anything here about any inmate that we would not say straight to the face of the man's wife,mother or child... or that we would not want said to our own child, spouse or parent.
Support, folks, we are a support system.

Welcome to PTO Doreen, I am glad you are with us

Welcome to PTO, Doreen! :heart:

Welcome ...
Good to have you here and your input ...
*if this is really Doreen I hope you are doing well and thank you .
( I say if , only for the fact that over the years I have come across many fakes , crazed obsessed people who try to pretend to be Doreen )*

Folks, for whatever it's worth, I've had a bit of "behind the scenes" communication with Doreen, and I believe that she is exactly who she claims to be... and was quite cheery and understanding about my having a bit of skepticism. I am looking forward to having her input here.

I understand this site is for "support" so I won't say exactly what's on my mind, but I would love to know why so many people are "fans" of Richard Ramirez. I mean, can anyone answer that. I have never before heard it said that he is innocent. Fans? I just don't get that at all.

YOU ARE COMPLETELY RIGHT!! I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING THIS AT ALL EITHER!!I DO UNDERSTAND THIS IS A SUPPORT SITE, AND I WISH ABSOLUTELY NO DISRESPECT TO ANYONE, BUT SOMEONE SAID EARLIER IN THIS THREAD THAT WE SHOULD LOOK PAST THE CRIME??? ARE YOU SERIOUS? I DONT SEE HOW THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE IN SOME INSTANCES... THAT'S TOTALLY UNREALISTIC. I WOULD ALSO LOVE TO HEAR THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION POSTED ABOVE...

RESPECTFULLY, TRICIA

YOU ARE COMPLETELY RIGHT!! I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING THIS AT ALL EITHER!!I DO UNDERSTAND THIS IS A SUPPORT SITE, AND I WISH ABSOLUTELY NO DISRESPECT TO ANYONE, BUT SOMEONE SAID EARLIER IN THIS THREAD THAT WE SHOULD LOOK PAST THE CRIME??? ARE YOU SERIOUS? I DONT SEE HOW THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE IN SOME INSTANCES... THAT'S TOTALLY UNREALISTIC. I WOULD ALSO LOVE TO HEAR THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION POSTED ABOVE...

RESPECTFULLY, TRICIA

I'm not going to turn this in to a debate but the fact of the matter is you love your man or family no matter what their crime is right? I did mine.Well so does she plain and simple.I can't speak to what makes someone a "fan" of a particular person because I am not a fan however it doesn't really matter who is a fan or why they are what matters is she (His wife and any of his friends or family) gets just as much support as everyone else does on here regardless of who her/their loved one is.

This is not a question of loving your man. I love my husband too and he is down for life for murder. I am talking about a fan club.

As I said I can't speak to fans but I don't think posting in this thread in support of him or answering the question asked which again was " Do you ever see Richard Ramirez when you visit your husbands at San Quentin?" makes anyone a fan or shows he has a fan club.

I would like to ask that this thread get back on topic as BSS has said.I myself am guilty for replying to an off topic post and I apologize for that however this one really does need to get back to the subject at hand or it may be put to rest.Thanks

Welcome to PTO, Doreen :)

Thanks to everyone for the welcome. I know in my heart every woman who posts here loves her husband/loved one as much as I love mine, or else we wouldn't crave the support of others in our situation. It takes a very special kind of woman to endure the hardships of loving an incarcerated husband/boyfriend/family member--not everyone is cut out for this kind of lifestyle. So, perhaps we should all just be "fans" of each other. As I mentioned to LeBeau privately, if you're not there to visit the warden, then we're all there for the same reason--no better, no worse. I have the utmost respect for every woman who loves in this special way.

Doreen, can I ask you honest questions? What attracted you to Richard? And how did you get past his crimes?



Minx, why is your loved one in prison any better then anothers? This place is for support. Put up or sh*t up.

The name of this thread is-

DO YOU EVER SEE RICHARD RAMIREZ WHEN YOU VISIT YOUR HUSBANDS AT SAN QUENTIN?

If you are not answering this question PLEASE don't post in this thread.

Love Barb

I can answer this one, I don't even know who he is, nor does it matter to me why he is there. Welcome to PTO Doreen!

I've never visited sq so i havent seen richard, and quite frankly i couldnt care less why he is there, it has nothing to do with anything, i do know that i would be devestated by some of the posts in this thread if they were written about my best friend, who happens to be on d/r. Doreen welcome to pto! I hope both you and your husband are doing great, stay strong!

YOU ARE COMPLETELY RIGHT!! I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING THIS AT ALL EITHER!!I DO UNDERSTAND THIS IS A SUPPORT SITE, AND I WISH ABSOLUTELY NO DISRESPECT TO ANYONE, BUT SOMEONE SAID EARLIER IN THIS THREAD THAT WE SHOULD LOOK PAST THE CRIME??? ARE YOU SERIOUS? I DONT SEE HOW THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE IN SOME INSTANCES... THAT'S TOTALLY UNREALISTIC. I WOULD ALSO LOVE TO HEAR THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION POSTED ABOVE...

RESPECTFULLY, TRICIA

I am the one who said this and YES, I am serious. My exact quote was: "Let's all try to look past the crimes, and just look at the people who come to this site for support." Which clearly has more meaning to it than you realize. It's almost like a "how dare you" situation when a loved one of an inmate shuns another loved one of an inmate. How can you look down on someone who supports an inmate when you are doing the exact same thing? An inmate is an inmate, no matter what crime he/she committed. They BROKE THE LAW, period. We are all in the same boat...

We don't know why your loved one is incarcerated, and frankly I don't care. I'm going to give you the same amount of support that I would give to the loved one of any other inmate, no matter what crime he or she committed. To me it is wrong to say (as you quoted) that you don't see how it's possible to look past a crime in some instances. Just as I said, a crime is a crime. We are all in this together. We are here for the support of others who also love an inmate. That's what PTO is all about. We are not asking everyone to support the inmates and their crimes, we are asking for you all to support the loved ones (just like you) who care about someone behind bars.

William'sBaby:heart:

I agree with you William'sBaby, it does not matter what your loved one did it was not us that did the crime. We are all the same here, and are here for the support. We have to deal with what our loved ones did on a daily basis, we come here for support and to talk with people that are going through the same things we are. We do not come here and discuss why are loved ones are inside. The only reason we know what this persons loved one did is because it was a high profile case. Most of the time we do not know what the person we are talking to loved one did to end up where they are and we do not ask. All anyone who comes here is looking for is support and we should not treat anyone different because of what their loved one did.

By the way congrads and good luck with your marriage William'sBaby

Do you ever see Richard Ramirez when you visit your husbands at San Quentin?

William'sBaby, mamaD and cathy100, an extra thank-you for the welcome. I think we all know where each other is coming from. And, dolphina, you wanted to know what attracted me to Richard. Initially, the "underdog" aspect of his arrest touched me (I am a sucker for the underdog), and after I got to know him, I saw someone with a good sense of humor and someone who needed some compassion in his life (I am a sucker for that, too!). As for his case, it gets tricky for me to talk about it publicly, so I try to avoid that. I hope you will understand.

Welcome to PTO Doreen! Wow, I can't believe its really you, have you seen Mr.Ramirez lately? Good-luck with everything my best regards to you guys.

William'sBaby, mamaD and cathy100, an extra thank-you for the welcome. I think we all know where each other is coming from. And, dolphina, you wanted to know what attracted me to Richard. Initially, the "underdog" aspect of his arrest touched me (I am a sucker for the underdog), and after I got to know him, I saw someone with a good sense of humor and someone who needed some compassion in his life (I am a sucker for that, too!). As for his case, it gets tricky for me to talk about it publicly, so I try to avoid that. I hope you will understand.



Bite your tongue sister friend!! I was part of the welcoming comittee. I have never asked you what attracted you to your man. If you reread the posts youll see your answer is better suited for "Minx". In the future please dont adress me and use my name unless it is accurate.

In the future please dont adress me and use my name unless it is accurate.

Aren't you on a high horse. Way to welcome someone. Great job.

I am so glad i finally joined this thread... amazing how a man's story can travel the world. he truly has a captivating story. i cant even begin to imagine whats it like to spend most of your adult life behind bars when there's a whole world out there. I always wondered what's he like as a person, what does he think of different things, what does he like and love and this sort of stuff... I guess miss Doreen is the only one that knows for sure. :) A big welcome.

My former husband and I are friends of Richard's Brother...............even though he is the worst type of criminal alive he is still someone's brother son husband and uncle. I used to read letters he wrote to his neices who only knew him as uncle Ritchie where he warned them about the dangers in life and ofmen like himself. His brother had a hard time accepting that the monster Richard was actually his brother Ritchie.

A big welcome
I hope the situation has improved a little for Richard since his move to east block, my guy has been on east block for years so i hope the guys there made Richard feel welcome and pleased to hear that his various medical conditions are just rumours.


once again welcome


Remember girls always see things as they are but not worse than they are
;) :)

Tre's Treasure: I was just wondering to which of Richard's brothers you are referring. I don't often run into anyone who knows his family. Thanks.

Doreen, glad to see you! Hope all is well.

welcome to pto doreen

Welcome Doreen!!!!

First of all, I'd like to thank again all of you kind ladies who extended a warm welcome to me--I appreciate that so much!

Tre's Treasure, you never answered my question. My in-laws are extremely private people. I asked each of my husband's brothers about this, and each one said they would never have shared or allowed their children to share with outsiders the contents of any private letter Richard wrote to any member of his family.

I was under the impression this website was created for the sole purpose of lending support to each other, since we all love someone who is incarcerated. I wonder how anyone else here would feel if someone called their loved one "the worst type of criminal alive" and a "monster." That doesn't sound very supportive to me. If we cannot even show compassion for each other or refrain from calling someone else's loved one terrible names, then how can we possibly expect "the outside world" to be compassionate toward us, our loved ones and the hardships we all encounter on a daily basis?

As I have said publicly many times, if you're not there to visit the warden, then we're all there for the same reason. I cannot even conceive of coming to a message board filled with women, men and children of incarcerated individuals and dare to presume what their life circumstances may be, pass judgment on someone else's situation or disrespect someone else's loved one. Again, if we cannot even offer respect to each other, how can we hope to be respected by those who would judge us?

My answer to the thread is no I have never seen Richard Ramirez, Because I don't visit there. Now that being said I want to welcome Doreen and tell her that most of us try and support all family here. I am sorry that there are some who feel it necessary to keep making comments. I don't remember Doreen ever being convicted of something. Welcome to PTO

Peace

Im very sorry that some have not been very welcoming or compassionate, Doreen.
What you say is true, about not being there to visit the warden.
Anyway, I hope you can get any and all the support you need from this site as that is its stated purpose.
Welcome.

Doreen I think I have said it earlier but I will say it again, welcome to PTO. I also agree with you that people are here for the support and not for our guys to be called names or for others to be rude to us or our guys. I hope you can just look past those few that do this and let the rest of us be here to help support you like we support everyone else. I hope to see you posting more often and getting to know us. There are some really great gals on this site and I am sure if you get to know them you would agree.

Thanks, ladies! Each one of us knows precisely what it means to love someone in prison, and we need to stick together! Thank you again for showing me how wonderful you all are!

Doreen.....well said! i just read the post you are referring to, unbelievable!

Doreen Im sorry bout everyone putting your man down I would be mad if it was about my hubby dont let anyone on here get to you like you said we are all on here for the same reason how would they feel if it was there husband or boy freind or family member that you were talking about they would be upset everyone should respect the men that is in there and respect there loved ones and not bad mouth anyone I hope you have a good day

Hi Doreen....welcome, I saw youa few months back but didn't want to intrude on your privacy as I have never been introduced to you.

doreen my man is considered a monster too 1st degree murder of his best friend so I know what your talking about and this is the one place we can come for support. But like everywhere there are bad apples just ignore them and if you don't give them attention they will go away.

Jimyysonlygirl well said i agree doreen dont pay attention like you said we are all here for a reason all of our men have made mistakes so sense they made mistakes and hurt people that they love or even people they dont know that doesnt make them monsters that makes them human everyone makes mistakes and no one in here has the right to bad mouth other peoples family members husbands or boyfreinds like i said how would they feel if you posted something up about there loved ones and called them a monster they wouldnt like it everyone just needs to respect the people in there because for them being in there it takes alot of strength san quentin isnt a nice place everyone respect the men in there I know im proud of my hubby for standing tall and being a man and having strength

Jimyysonlygirl well said i agree doreen dont pay attention like you said we are all here for a reason all of our men have made mistakes so sense they made mistakes and hurt people that they love or even people they dont know that doesnt make them monsters that makes them human everyone makes mistakes and no one in here has the right to bad mouth other peoples family members husbands or boyfreinds like i said how would they feel if you posted something up about there loved ones and called them a monster they wouldnt like it everyone just needs to respect the people in there because for them being in there it takes alot of strength san quentin isnt a nice place everyone respect the men in there I know im proud of my hubby for standing tall and being a man and having strength

I resent you putting my man in any other category then a NON VIOLENT offender!! PERIOD!!!! There is a hell of a lot of difference between what a lot of people's loved ones have done then some others referred to as monsters!! A HUGE FREAKING DIFFERENCE!! yes, they are all inside or have been , but no they are most certainly not the same!! EVER!! i CAOULD NOT AND WOULDNT NOT STAND BESIDE my man had he commit horrific crimes! I choose , sucah as everyone else, who and what i CAN HONOESTLY SUPPORT. I feel that anyone who CHOOSEs TO ASSOCIATE themselves with a high profile serial murderer probably understands the consequences that come with that decision. I am not passing judgement on anyone, however do NOT lump my inmate into a general catagory at any time!
Thank you ./..... KARMA:angry:

I wasnt putting it in a bad way i was saying that everyone in there has hurt someone ether by getting into trouble or hurting some one like richerd did im here because my hubby made a wrong choice and was in a high speed chase because he though he had a warrent for parole violation which he didnt and he ran for nothing but at the end of it all he hurt people he hurt his self and people he loved that what i was talking about

No one is saying that all of the men are the same or that the reasons they are where they are, are the same. What I said was, we are all in the same boat because we love someone in prison. Period. And it doesn't matter whether someone's husband killed 500 people or merely violated parole--it is still wrong to come to a prison-support message board and call names and cast stones and make any woman who has given her heart to ANY man in prison feel somehow inferior or less worthy of support. It doesn't work that way.

agreed, Doreen.
Its a support board. Im not supporting the things my husband has done.
But I love him anyway.
Im here for that. We all love, or care about someone who has made horrible choices or gotten a raw deal or a combo of things.....
Much of society dosnt get that.
You would think everyone HERE WOULD.

No one is saying that all of the men are the same or that the reasons they are where they are, are the same. What I said was, we are all in the same boat because we love someone in prison. Period. And it doesn't matter whether someone's husband killed 500 people or merely violated parole--it is still wrong to come to a prison-support message board and call names and cast stones and make any woman who has given her heart to ANY man in prison feel somehow inferior or less worthy of support. It doesn't work that way.

I really agree with this...it's true that there are alot of differences between inmates and crimes, but bottom line there is that common thread between all of us here. What irritates me is when *we* separate ourselves based on 'well, my loved one is innocent or he didn't do something so bad as yours so I can't support *you*.' This is not 'innocent-prisontalk.com' or 'not-really-a-bad-crime-talk.com.' (I'm not talking about you, KARMA).

Tre's Treasure: I was just wondering to which of Richard's brothers you are referring. I don't often run into anyone who knows his family. Thanks.


Doreen, no disrespect was meant I do not judge him and I sent you a private message about his brother. He is just a man as are all are men who made mistakes. He is fortunate to have you to see beyond the media hype and ugliness surrounding his crimes.
My prayers are with you and yours

Doreen, no disrespect was meant I do not judge him and I sent you a private message about his brother. He is just a man as are all are men who made mistakes. He is fortunate to have you to see beyond the media hype and ugliness surrounding his crimes.
My prayers are with you and yours

Excuse me, but I can't walk by this one; I have to say something.

A mistake is not what Richard Ramirez made; he slaughtered 13 innocent people and that is not considered a mistake in my book so please let's not whitewash the case.

He is fortunate that Doreen cares about him that I will agree with but to say he committed a mistake is a slap in the face to those he murdered in cold blood.

I realize this is a support forum but in our support let's not forget and whitewash the unwashable.

It amazes me how quick we all are as a bunch of 'non-judgemental' women to pick up on the small errors that other people make.

You used the wrong word or you said the wrong thing!

Nobody would suggest that the murder of thirteen women was a mistake an error or a lapse of judgement but particularly I would suggest the people who use PTO and have some experience of these matters.

You know we are all here for the same reason. Our friends partners wives or husbands did something bad. Before any of you take offence that is simply my defianition but it doesn't mean I am saying that your friends or loved ones are bad people.

Doreen you must be one strong lady to put up with all the crap that you must get because for sure if you are getting it from PTO and from people who claim to understand then you must be getting it elsewhere too. Richard is very lucky to have you and I hope that he appreciates that.

For me I know my man did bad things. I understand that and for that reason alone I will not judge anyone. If I take offence at anything it is the 'my man isn't as bad as your man' attitude that has come to light as a result of this thread.

Maybe we all need to take a look at ourselves. I haven't been around long and this is the first thread that has truly upset me.

Doreen you make me feel unparellelled respect and I will keep you in my prayers.

Excuse me, but I can't walk by this one; I have to say something.

A mistake is not what Richard Ramirez made; he slaughtered 13 innocent people and that is not considered a mistake in my book so please let's not whitewash the case.

He is fortunate that Doreen cares about him that I will agree with but to say he committed a mistake is a slap in the face to those he murdered in cold blood.

I realize this is a support forum but in our support let's not forget and whitewash the unwashable.
Yes, his crimes were heinous and I was not discounting them what I was referring to is the fact that we are all here because for whatever reason our men committed crimes..........or mistakes. We are not here to play judge and jury to this man.....that has already been done, We are here to offer support to a woman who regardless of who she loves is one of us. :angry:Like I stated in my first post he is someones brother, uncle and husband.

Yes, his crimes were heinous and I was not discounting them what I was referring to is the fact that we are all here because for whatever reason our men committed crimes..........or mistakes. We are not here to play judge and jury to this man.....that has already been done, We are here to offer support to a woman who regardless of who she loves is one of us. :angry:Like I stated in my first post he is someones brother, uncle and husband.


I'm not really concerned as to what crimes anyone has committed but again you use the word mistake.....for pity's sake, do you think the victims consider any crime against them a mistake be it a murder, robbery, auto theft, drug crimes, or drunk driving.

When my pickup was stolen I didn't sit there thinking "oh my, someone made a mistake and took my truck or gee, my son was just murdered, oh the poor man made a mistake and killed him"....better get your feet on the ground and your head out of your azz.

So please quit using the word mistake as it doesn't belong in a forum dedicated to men in prison.....that means a crime was committed.

All this needs to STOP! This thread isn't titled "Do you think Richard Ramirez made a MISTAKE," it's titled "Do you ever see Richard Ramirez when you visit your husbands at San Quentin." So I suggest you all get this thread back on track or else I will close it.

This is a support group and the wife of Richard Ramirez is a part of this group. So if you don't have anything nice to say then I suggest you keep your comments and feelings to yourself! Most of us that are members of PTO have a loved one or friend in prison and we are all in the same boat. So being judgemental of others is not going to fly here!

This is my FINAL warning!

Actually, Bob-bi-lu, I think you've been patient keeping the post open. Personally, I'd prefer it if posts that have a gossipy interest in who sees what when they visit, especially about high profile prisoners, didn't see the light of day on PTO. That's just my preference & i do like the general openness across a whole range of issues and experiences that are expressed on PTO. I guess it's difficult to make decisions about things as a moderator.
I must admit I groaned when I saw this post back in the SQ section.
While I'm here having my 2 cents worth let me add my welcome to Doreen along with all the others.

I'm not really concerned as to what crimes anyone has committed but again you use the word mistake.....for pity's sake, do you think the victims consider any crime against them a mistake be it a murder, robbery, auto theft, drug crimes, or drunk driving.

When my pickup was stolen I didn't sit there thinking "oh my, someone made a mistake and took my truck or gee, my son was just murdered, oh the poor man made a mistake and killed him"....better get your feet on the ground and your head out of your azz.

So please quit using the word mistake as it doesn't belong in a forum dedicated to men in prison.....that means a crime was committed.
I wonder if the victim or victims of your mans crime feel they way you do. As for it being a mistake.......or poor choice to commit a crime ......it is my right as an educated adult to use whatever terminology I see fit......it if disagree state it but do not tell me what I can and can not do. Last time I checked this was PTO not your personal website. I don't judge anyone it is not my place. My man committed crimes....crimes he is guilty of........mistakes I feel he made with his life..............do I love him any less....No or I would not be here. :thumbsup:

Why are you picking this thread back up again?

It had died a natural death and everyone moved on; crime is not a mistake...it is a CHOICE, granted rotten choices, but still a choice...best learn the use of the English language.

Stop it!
As Bob-bi-lu pointed out, this thread is about Ramirez sightings, not a forum for debating whether one crime is worse than another, or bashing each other over semantics.

If you've seen Mr. Ramirez, and feel that it's noteworthy, feel free to post.
If you're just here to hammer the fact that he was convicted of a particularly notorious set of crimes, well, we all know that, so no need to belabour the obvious.

Mrs. Ramirez is deserving of the same kindness, support and acceptance as every other member here.


The decision to close this thread will remain at Bob-bi-lu's discretion, but until that decision is made, any posts that do not answer the question "Do you ever see Richard Ramirez when you visit....?" will be deleted as being off topic.

Stop the bickering.