View Full Version : Curious about Gatesville Prison units in Texas "mystery" units


RobinsMan
02-14-2007, 08:53 PM
TDCJ unit directory list Gatesville, Hilltop, Woodman SJ, Lane Murray and Mountain View female units and the Hughes male unit as the Gatesville units. But I find reference to Skyview, Sycamore, Riverside and Terrace "units" elsewhere. That adds up to ten units. Looking at satellite imagery I count what looks like eleven distinct units in the area but I imagine one could be administration or something. Robin has also heard stories of Skyview, Sycamore and Riverside just in her short time in Plane.

I'm just a curious type. So who knows anything about these other facilities? Some of the uglier stories of despair that I have read on other sites come from these places.

Rachel
02-14-2007, 11:12 PM
I think that Skyview is a specialist mental health unit, but I am not sure. One of the men I know in Polunsky (who has the mental age of about 8) is always talking about being sent there to get looked after, so maybe that is why?

RobinsMan
02-15-2007, 06:32 AM
Oops! Really didn't get too thourogh in looking before I asked. Skview IS listed and is located with Hodge in Rusk. I guess I left out Valley, Hackberry and a trusty camp (no name?) that are supposed to be there in Gatesville as well. Actually, I think that adds up to twelve now which makes me need to go back and look at the picture a little more. Which one is Hackberry seems obvious since there is a Hackberry Ln and it runs by one unit I guess I'm just curious why there are five or six of them that aren't listed in the TDCJ directory. It just sounds too secret and my lady could be heading that direction.

I see the trusty camp is listed under the Gatesville unit.

Sorry gals, this is what I do. I get curious and then it doesn't quit until I've figured something out.

Kay
02-15-2007, 08:14 AM
Well, seeing as how you mentioned it Royce I have noticed that about you. Thats okay though because if I ever want something THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED you will be the one I call on!! Blessings, Katy

RobinsMan
02-15-2007, 09:10 AM
I can't help it. It' a curse.

Anyway, it looks like there really is no "Gatesville" unit. The Gatesville "facility" is a collection of satellite units Valley, Hackberry, Sycamore, Riverside, Terrace and the trusty unit. Or, least it looks like there is no Gatesville unit, per se. I'll figure it out in a little bit. jimshucks made a post about it once plus I've dug some things up on the internet. But Im kind of off of that at the moment.

My problem is getting sidetracked. Can you believe that I've been reading the Texas Government Code the past hour? And yes, I'm still awake. I see that the two year limit that an inmate can be kept in a transfer facility starts counting over again if they leave for pretty much any reason and then return. There is also legislation that allows the BPP a lot of leeway to parole people early but on very strict parole terms if they are waiting in county once prison capacity reaches 100% and they are directed to do so by TDCJ. What I would really like to read is the Texas Administrative Code Title 37 Part VI chapters that are missing from the info.sos.state.tx.us website.

I'll be back up for air a little later. I might even do a little work. Who knows?

pams lilsis
02-15-2007, 12:30 PM
Hey Royce Hackberry is a special needs Safp my niece is there and they treat the offenders the same as all Safps really bad the trustee camp is off to the right I think down Hackberry lane I have seen the women out walking for rec I assume. When I have visited there are a couple of other units down the road you go through Hilltop Gates. Murray is before you turn on the long road to to to Hilltop Big big place it even looks like a real Prison to me but it was nice I guess the visiting area was ok but Hackberry is run down as most of them all are i guess they are all Gatesville since the town is called that

RobinsMan
02-16-2007, 06:56 AM
It took me all of about five minutes to answer my own first question and realize there was no mystery. (how stupid!) Anyway, I've got a number of them spotted, I think. Mountain View is easy with it being away from all of the others on Ransom road. Hughes does not have a physical address in the directory but the description of its location spots it easily as the furthest separated of them all further north on FM929. Hilltop, Murray and Sycamore are all north of Rhett road in the triangle formed by Rhett and Hwy 36 and State School Rd (business 36) in that order west to east. Murray is a little farther north with it's access on 36 and not Rhett road. Woodman, I think, is the furthest south of the units just at the big bend in FM929(Coryell City Rd)/Hwy36 bypass. But that's as far as I have gotten. There is a small unit that is on Rhett road but on to the south of it that I cannot identify. There is one kind of out in the middle of the rest on Hackberry Ln that I want to call Hackberry just because of that but that dosn't jive with what Marilyn was describing. There are three, or four, along State School Road south of Rhett that I cannot distinguish. One of them is east of State School road and just north of the intersection at FM929 (Coryell City Road). A little further north along State School Rd on the same side of the road is another fenced unit and then some unfenced housing that makes me want to think Trusty. Then just up State School Rd again but on the west side and outside of the 929/36 enclosure is another unit which takes up a lot of area that I want to call Riverside because, hey, there's a river running by it. None of it really matters anyway. I guess I'll just end up driving there one day (the last day!!, maybe?) to see which are Terrace, Riverside, Valley, Hackberry and the Trusty camp. Or, I'll end up going there for visits regularly and I will then be able to draw a map and color it in.

pams lilsis
02-16-2007, 01:01 PM
hey royce hackberry safp is on hackberry ln on the right just after you pass the ck point and hilltop is a stright shot down the road i know there is a trustee camp to the south of Hackberry I have seen the ladys all outside walking in a circle I guess for exercise I ask my niece what it was and she said trustees anyway you want have a hard time finding the units it is all pretty much a circle

Howling Wolf
02-24-2007, 01:51 AM
I don't know if you've been to Gatesville, I've been there once.
As you drive you pass facility after facility!
Before I went last October I pulled up Gatesville on Google Earth. That was really enlightening! A picture's worth a thousand words!

RobinsMan
02-25-2007, 09:10 PM
Nope, never been to Gtesville. If I had then I'd already know what i was curious avout. Google earth is what I've been looking at but just curious to know which unit is which. I figured some of them out. I'll

Howling Wolf
02-25-2007, 11:08 PM
The only unit that I am sure of is Riverside. My girl told me that the unit she is housed in, and where I visited her is the Riverside Unit. That is directly behind the admin bldg at 1401 State School Road.

The admin bldg looks like an old plantation house with white pillars!

RobinsMan
02-26-2007, 06:42 AM
I guessed that one right, I think. Admin building is the one with the triangular parking lot at the intersection of Rhett Rd. and State School Rd? It makes sense that the admin building would actually be at the 1401 address and Riverside is right there. I guess you use that same address for sending mail to inmates no matter what Gatesville satellite unit they are in.

lovinsister
03-14-2007, 10:54 AM
What does she say about Riverside? Is it a trustee camp? And do you know anything about the classification trustee 3?

RobinsMan
03-14-2007, 11:50 AM
I know that there is a trustee camp at Gatesville that is seperate from the other units: Riverside, Hackberry, Sycamore, Valley and Hilltop or Murray and Mountain View. I think the trustee camp is called just that - trustee camp. A good time earning status, or classification, of SAT 3 (trustee 3) gets 30 days of good time for every 30 days of flat time. They can also get up to 15 days of diligent participation credits (days) for every 30 days flat if they are actively involved in programs or classes that are conducive to rehabilitation.

Howling Wolf
03-14-2007, 08:27 PM
The part of the RIVERSIDE unit that my girl is in consists of two person cells. There may be dorms there, but I don't know. She was in a dorm and I'm pretty sure that it was in the Riverside Unit however for the last few months she has been in one cell or another. She was also "across the street" as she put it in seg all by herself. Uh, she has a little anger management problem!:D After 10 years in that place I would too. It doesn't help that she has at least 30 more to go. She has to do a flat 40 before they will ever consider talking to her.

Callas
03-15-2007, 01:21 AM
The trustee camp is Hilltop in Gatesville

RobinsMan
03-15-2007, 06:45 AM
Unit directory lists a trustee camp as part of the Hilltop capacity but there is a sperate trustee camp capacity listed for Gatesville, as well. So, I think that if you were housed as trustee at Hilltop then the unit assignment would be Hilltop but if the unit assignment is Gatesville then it will be the trustee camp that is mentioned along with the other Gatesville satellite units. Still largely speculation on my part, though.

RobinsMan
03-15-2007, 11:45 AM
Oops, Hackberry is SAFP. I left Terrace out of the list.

monkeyonalimb
05-21-2007, 11:35 PM
waht is plane?

RobinsMan
05-22-2007, 06:49 AM
Plane State Jail is a womans facility in Dayton. It houses both State Jail sentenced confines as well as TDCJ-ID unit sentenced inmates. It is one of two facilites in Texas that does intake processing for women. Inmates with ID (Institutional Division) sentences can stay there up to two years but if their sentence is very long at all they will eventually be transferred from Plane to an ID unit. Most female ID units are in Gatesville plus there is Hobby in Marlin, Tx (where my wife, Robin, is now) and a few other specialty or private coed facilities around. Robin started out in Plane but was transferred to Hobby almost a month ago.

felony2261
09-06-2007, 12:45 PM
i spent 2years in gatesville some of my time was spent at hilltop and some at woodman. the units you mention are there however im not sure about a mystery unit it could be a separate trusty unit that is housed separately from the fenced pickett secure compounds. my time spent in gatesville was very very interesting!!!!!! there some good, bad times, and some very interesting times

pams lilsis
09-06-2007, 01:00 PM
There is a trusty camp at Gatesville you can see it when you go down the road towards the Hackberry Safp unit but you enter through Hilltop

JLH
09-06-2007, 05:56 PM
SKyview is a psych unit in Rusk, TX. Sycamore, Riverside, Hackberry, etc. are called "satellite" units. They are part of the Gatesville and maybe even the Hilltop Units. Mountainview, Gatesville, Hilltop, Lane Murray are the main prisons for women in Gatesville. The Woodman Unit is a state jail, but I heard they're using it as the Reception Unit to process and screen new entries into TDCJ (women). The Hughes Unit is the only men's unit in GAtesville.

gunner08tx
10-30-2008, 06:12 PM
the gatesville trusty camp is at the end of the road close to the gas station across the street is the sycamore unit down the road on the same side of the street as the trusty camo is the terrance across from it is the staff gym and close to it is the tdcj training academy

andrew2
11-18-2009, 10:49 PM
Does anyone know anything about the Crain Unit ? Somebody posted on Write A Prisoner that it's a "cadillac unit" but, if so, I'm sure it's only by comparison. A young woman who's there wrote to me that she lives in one room with 46 other women.She also said it's a prison farm where they grow several different kinds of vegetables but she doesn't see much on the table although I'm not sure if the food goes elsewhere or there's just not all that much anyway: she said, "We don't really grow much".
She gets up at 5:30 am , works four hours in the morning and sometimes in the afternoon. She also takes college classes but said the only BA you can get there is in business administration.

By some accounts, there's a lot of lesbianism in womens prisons. Two male COs who worked at Crain were arrested this spring for sexually using female inmates . One is William David Rivera, and the other is Eddie James Davis.

She said the AC goes off early in the summer and doesn't get fixed; an air conditioned prison may seem like an undeserved luxury for criminals, but consider what hard labor in a Texas prison must be like. Inmates can buy small fans for themselves; she says it helps a little. She also said that the heat often breaks down in winter, and fixing it is not a priority. "Inept medical care" is another thing mentioned. She's not allowed to keep copies of the papers she write for class because of concerns about plagiarism. Considering whom she's with, this does make sense.

There have been warnings posted online that many women in the Texas prison use pen pal websites to scam lonely guys and and con them into sending money, although my corespondent has never attempted this, not with me anyway.

A lot of info. about Texas prisons is available online if you search around. Start with official Texas state info. .

According to one source 45% of women in Texas prisons are white which is almost as much as in the state's general population.Since, nationally, nonwhites are very disproportionately represented because of their crime rates, why would this be ?

Statistically, Texas has greatly increased it's female prison population in these last 10-20 years although it's still far smaller than the male prison population.

Anyone who knows anything about Crain, please share your knowledge with me.

Thanks.

sweetfreedom
11-21-2009, 07:51 AM
Does anyone know anything about the Crain Unit ? Somebody posted on Write A Prisoner that it's a "cadillac unit" but, if so, I'm sure it's only by comparison. A young woman who's there wrote to me that she lives in one room with 46 other women.She also said it's a prison farm where they grow several different kinds of vegetables but she doesn't see much on the table although I'm not sure if the food goes elsewhere or there's just not all that much anyway: she said, "We don't really grow much".
She gets up at 5:30 am , works four hours in the morning and sometimes in the afternoon. She also takes college classes but said the only BA you can get there is in business administration.

By some accounts, there's a lot of lesbianism in womens prisons. Two male COs who worked at Crain were arrested this spring for sexually using female inmates . One is William David Rivera, and the other is Eddie James Davis.

She said the AC goes off early in the summer and doesn't get fixed; an air conditioned prison may seem like an undeserved luxury for criminals, but consider what hard labor in a Texas prison must be like. Inmates can buy small fans for themselves; she says it helps a little. She also said that the heat often breaks down in winter, and fixing it is not a priority. "Inept medical care" is another thing mentioned. She's not allowed to keep copies of the papers she write for class because of concerns about plagiarism. Considering whom she's with, this does make sense.

There have been warnings posted online that many women in the Texas prison use pen pal websites to scam lonely guys and and con them into sending money, although my corespondent has never attempted this, not with me anyway.

A lot of info. about Texas prisons is available online if you search around. Start with official Texas state info. .

According to one source 45% of women in Texas prisons are white which is almost as much as in the state's general population.Since, nationally, nonwhites are very disproportionately represented because of their crime rates, why would this be ?

Statistically, Texas has greatly increased it's female prison population in these last 10-20 years although it's still far smaller than the male prison population.

Anyone who knows anything about Crain, please share your knowledge with me.

Thanks.

I served just over 5 and a half years in Gatesville, TX. After going through the initial intake system, I was housed at Hilltop for about a year, and then spent the remainder of my time being transfered through the various sattelite units that were collectively called "Gatesville Unit" back then, but I hear they are now called Crain. All of the mail for these units goes to one address and is distributed to the various satellites each day. A nurse is at each satellite to pass meds and do basic checkups and if you actually need a doctor or denitst, then you are sent over to the central diagnostic unit. Inmates (or "offenders" as the staff prefers to call them) are bussed between the satellite units daily for medical care, school (vocational or college), and work.

Unless an inmate is found to be medically unable to work, then everyone has a job to do. Some jobs are good, others can kill you if you don't take exceptionally good care of yourself while you are there. Inmates are served 3 meals a day. The food is not always appetizing, but they fill your tray up and you leave each meal stuffed full if you choose to eat it. Diabetics and pregnant women get an evening snack in addition to the 3 meals. You can even choose a meat free tray (cheese sandwich) and if your religion forbids pork consumption you can get a pork free tray (cheese sandwich also).

Inmates on medication go to the pill line up to 3 times each day, depending on their individual needs. Some medications are allowed to be kept in the inmate's lock box as well, depending on the type of med and the inmate's behavior.

There is a commissary where all manner of things can be purchased. Radios, fans, typewriters, boots, shoes, makeup, soap, shampoo, deodorant, thermal underwear for cold weather, food and drink items can be had there, if you have money on your "books" sent by family or friends. There is a weekly spend limit that cannot be exceeded. When I was there, it was $75. So if you had, say, $450 on your books, you were limited to only being able to spend $75 each week. The rationale behind this was, you are only allowed to have what you can store inside your lockbox. Anything that won't fit in there is confiscated by the officers. Inmates are not allowed to share commissary items with each other, although they do but you get in trouble if you are caught by the officers.

There are a lot of women who do write to pen pals to scam them out of money. These are usually the women who have no family to send funds. (Or sometimes they do have family sending funds, and just want more $$$ to save for their release)

There is also a lot of lesbianism, yes. Some of it is genuine. Some of it is just to get items from commissary. And some of it is done out of sheer loneliness and just wanting to be close to another human being.

Not all of the units are air conditioned. The few that are, well it only works now and then and there is no rush to fix it if it breaks. What is bad is being in a unit with windows that don't open when the air goes out in the south Texas heat. Or working in the kitchen with no windows and no air conditioning, cooking with huge industrial ovens and steam pots, when it's 105 or 106 outside. You will literally pass out from the heat if you aren't very, very careful.

Same for the heat. It does go out, and they are in no hurry to fix it. I can remember one time, only once, when they did bring us extra blankets. But that was only once, because it was snowing outside and you could sit in your bed and see your breath it was so cold in there.

They have lockdowns twice a year simply to search every inch of the facility for contraband. They also have lockdowns for other "security" reasons too. But you can count on at least 2 yearly week to 2 week lockdowns depending on the size of your unit and how long it takes them to search every inch of it. While on lockdown you can't leave your cell or cubicle for any reason, unless you work in the kitchen. You are given a "Johnny sack" for each meal during lockdown, containing a sandwich, boiled egg, and rasins or prunes, with a carton of milk.

Many of the units do not have showers in the dorms. You have to go out and walk down the street to the showers. You get 5 minutes to strip, shower, get dressed, and line back up. Then you walk back to your dorm and stand outside soaking wet, in the cold, in the rain, whatever is going on outdoors, until the officer lets you back in the dorm. I remember standing outside in freezing temperatures so long that my wet hair literally FROZE into icicles waiting for an officer to open the door. If they are eating a sandwich, passing out mail, searching cubicles, or talking on the phone, you better hunker down and get ready to wait.

There is a LOT more to it, but that's the first stuff I thought of off the top of my head.

The important thing to remember: Tell your loved one to take VERY good care of themselves, try very hard NOT to get depressed, and stay away from troublesome inmates. That is the key to getting through Gatesville in one piece. Women are vicious and vindictive. I made it out of there with no scars and just a lot of body aches from hard, hard work (and lots of it). I did that by eating well (even if the food was atrocious), exercising, minding the rules, going to college while I was there to keep my mind busy, and rarely ever talking to any other inmates. The actual friends I made down there can be counted on one hand. The fewer people you associate with while you're there, the better off you'll be in the long run.

Hope this helps. I am now 6 years removed from that place and still think about it every day. It is still hard for me. But tell your loved one they CAN get through it. Just take it one day at a time.

andrew2
04-27-2010, 10:00 PM
"what is the situation with strip searches by male guards in Texas womens prisons ?