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jack321 · #1 12-28-2008, 08:27 AM

hello if anyone read my intro post then you will know that i am a family member of someone who was murdered. i live in england and there is no death penalty here, and i am glad.

I have no feelings toward the person who murdered my cousin, as i think that to show feelings is to show care, whether it be hatred or love. for this person who murdered my cousin i feel nothing.

I admit it took a while to feel like that but that is where my ghost now lies.

Personally i feel that so called 'legalised' executions are legalised murders.
for a person to spend his or her life in prison in a prison without comfort is punishment enough. i feel that these people should live every day of there lives knowing what they have done rather than being given the short way out.

welshcake · #2 12-28-2008, 10:10 AM

i know how u feel jack, im from the uk too, and people here get away with a lot worse, but i hope they never bring the dp back

JJS811 · #3 12-31-2008, 03:16 AM

I too am from the UK, and agree completely. I doubt the DP will ever be brought back here, and for that I am relieved! Welcome to PTO Jack.

Cupids_girl · #4 12-31-2008, 06:00 AM

Thank you so much for that Jack - you are a true light to this sad dark world.

She'sMyAngel · #5 12-31-2008, 11:06 PM

I'm also in a non-death penalty nation, however, I do not think that the death penalty is legalised murder in any way shape or form. i realise this is not a popular opinion, and this is a support site, hence my not ever posting in this forum previously (I do not wish to offend with my opinion) However, given statistics and circumstance I am, in support of properly administered capital punishment policy. This is not to say in its current form it is acceptable, only that properly administered I am in support of its application.

JJS811 · #6 01-01-2009, 02:46 AM

I wonder if you would still agree if you had a loved one on the row? As you say, this is a support site, and not a CP debate board, so I shall say no more!

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Originally Posted by She'sMyAngel

I'm also in a non-death penalty nation, however, I do not think that the death penalty is legalised murder in any way shape or form. i realise this is not a popular opinion, and this is a support site, hence my not ever posting in this forum previously (I do not wish to offend with my opinion) However, given statistics and circumstance I am, in support of properly administered capital punishment policy. This is not to say in its current form it is acceptable, only that properly administered I am in support of its application.

gypsysmagician · #7 01-01-2009, 11:38 AM

Welcome, Jack and I can only agree. I am also from a country where there is no death penalty and we are getting along just fine without it. We have no more criminals because of that than others with the DP. This just belongs to Middle Age and no murder is right, also not the State sanctioned murder.

MKW · #8 01-02-2009, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by She'sMyAngel

given statistics and circumstance I am, in support of properly administered capital punishment policy.

I don't get your point here... The statistics in the US precisely show that Death Penalty or not, the rate of murders and violent crimes is the same!

Grettashouse · #9 01-02-2009, 07:41 AM

I feel as though in the United States; we the people constitute we the system. We happen to be human beings and we are fallable...I wish that the death penalty didn't exist here. If we wrongfully convict someone at least we can set them free...if we kill them we can't change it. Here in Missouri alone in recent years three men have been exonerated and set free from death row on the basis of innocence. I don't believe everyone is innocent in fact I think it more the exception to the rule than the basis of it; I even think that there are some that might possibly deserve to die for that which they have done...I also think that it's not my place to decide who deserves to live and die nor anyone elses. Beyond which it costs more money to house a person on death row for the average seventeen years than it does to house someone for life in general population without the possibility of parole.

tolateforwords · #10 02-01-2009, 10:10 AM

Had bad breaks? did too many drugs? you were drunk? it doesn't matter, people feel better knowing that if you murder THEM you must die!

JJS811 · #11 02-01-2009, 01:34 PM

Twaddle!!! People feel BETTER? knowing if they are killed their killer will die? What utter rot! Many, many people say they do not want killing in their name, and I am one of those people. I really have not read such an absurd generalization in a long, long time!

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Originally Posted by tolateforwords

Had bad breaks? did too many drugs? you were drunk? it doesn't matter, people feel better knowing that if you murder THEM you must die!

Danalia · #12 02-01-2009, 01:54 PM

I don't want anybody to kill in my name.

I agree with the previous poster who said that no-one has the right to kill another. No matter if it is sanctioned by 'the State' (insert Big Brother/The System if you like) putting someone to death is still killing them. Ok, it wasn't on a dark street or during the enactment of a crime but you are still taking a life. Just because it takes place in a sterile environment with supposedly humane means (debateable in my opinion) it is still taking the life of another and I want no part of that.

In my opinion, to take a life in such a calculated, clinical way is, to some extent, worse than an unpremeditated act on the streets. These inmates, men and women, are killed in a preplanned act of vengence. There is no justice involved, only the creation of more victims from the family of the inmate to the man who pulls the switch (because they now bear their own share of this cycle of death).

Yes, I do have someone on DR and it will break me if and when his time comes but I felt this way about the DP long before I even knew he existed so it could be said that I have looked at this issue from both sides, with and without emotional involvement. These are only my personal thoughts and I know that there are people out there who will never see things the way I do but I hope that, eventually, not just America, but every country in the world that still uses CP, will see sense and stop this insane cycle of violence, pain and death.

tolateforwords · #13 02-01-2009, 03:48 PM

I'm on the outside. Prison is another planet to me. In my world people believe what you say. To be placed in a place where no one believes what you say is a nightmare.
The laws that allow CP is all that protect your loved ones while you can't. People on DR should understand that better then anyone.

haswtch · #14 02-01-2009, 04:22 PM

How does capitol punishment protect my loved ones when I can't? Given that statistics indicate it's not much of a deterrent? Knowing that the state might eventually catch and kill a person that killed a person I care about gives me no sense of safety at all. Not trying to be argumentative, just wondering. I can see the logic in people who argue for concealed carry laws, I don't neccesarily agree but I get it. But the DP? Protects how? It plainly didn't protect the victims of current DR inmates...

tolateforwords · #15 02-01-2009, 08:36 PM

Alright if killing the person that killed your loved one gives you no sense of safety, how about a sense of justice. Locking any human in a shark tank (prison)for the rest of their life, that is cruel and inhumane. Get it over with.

JJS811 · #16 02-02-2009, 01:57 AM

GET IT OVER WITH!!! This is a human being we are talking about here, not a rabid dog!!! This thread is no good for my blood pressure, so from now on I will avoid!!

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Originally Posted by tolateforwords

Alright if killing the person that killed your loved one gives you no sense of safety, how about a sense of justice. Locking any human in a shark tank (prison)for the rest of their life, that is cruel and inhumane. Get it over with.

**Rachel** · #17 02-02-2009, 06:47 AM

Do not feed the trolls!

Thank you.

Rachel

beez0811 · #18 02-02-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jack321

hello if anyone read my intro post then you will know that i am a family member of someone who was murdered. i live in england and there is no death penalty here, and i am glad.

I have no feelings toward the person who murdered my cousin, as i think that to show feelings is to show care, whether it be hatred or love. for this person who murdered my cousin i feel nothing.

I admit it took a while to feel like that but that is where my ghost now lies.

Personally i feel that so called 'legalised' executions are legalised murders.
for a person to spend his or her life in prison in a prison without comfort is punishment enough. i feel that these people should live every day of there lives knowing what they have done rather than being given the short way out.

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Originally Posted by Rachel

Do not feed the trolls!

Thank you.

Rachel

Look at the first post of the topic. I nicely quoted it for you. I could be a smartass, but for once I am not. These kinds of topics start pro vs. anti debates.

**Rachel** · #19 02-02-2009, 04:53 PM

http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=342048

When someone makes drive-by postings in the CP forum, there is usually only one motivation for it.

Thanks for your concern.

Rachel

danni728 · #20 02-05-2009, 01:15 PM

I feel as though who are we to say who lives and dies? In my eyes it IS murder.

Its like contradicting(sp?) ourselves

They get in trouble for taking someone elses life but yet we can take theirs? It worng and I do NOT feel the death penalty is right and I think it should be done away with.

DaveMoff · #21 02-05-2009, 02:41 PM

If I have my numbers right, the number of executions each year in America is less than one-tenth of one percent of the number of homicides. If the purpose of capital punishment is to act as a deterrent, prevent repeat offenses, or simply remove violent criminals from society, clearly it is failing on all counts.

I am of course making the assumption here that all of those executed are guilty, which is highly doubtful.

She'sMyAngel · #22 02-23-2009, 08:08 PM

I'm sorry if any of you feel insulted by my previous post. I stated I didn't want to offend anyone and that it was my opinion. I offer my apologies and a quick declaration that I'm not a drive by poster and I am interested in learning. I'm not militant with my opinion and I respect the opnions of posters whose opinions differ from mine. I am entitled to it and I in no way was trying to influence or 'raise the blood pressure' of some members. Again, i apologise for any offense taken, but do reserve the right to state my opinion in the correct place as is my right, hence posting in this thread and not and of the 'loving a death row...' or 'friends of death row..' etc. That would purely be insensitive and callous and though I'm sure some would beg to differ, I am neither cruel nor callous, nor am I insensitive. You should allow me more credit than that and as I respect you opinion, you must respect mine. I appreciate your time.

Joy · #23 02-28-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by She'sMyAngel

I'm sorry if any of you feel insulted by my previous post. I stated I didn't want to offend anyone and that it was my opinion. I offer my apologies and a quick declaration that I'm not a drive by poster and I am interested in learning. I'm not militant with my opinion and I respect the opnions of posters whose opinions differ from mine. I am entitled to it and I in no way was trying to influence or 'raise the blood pressure' of some members. Again, i apologise for any offense taken, but do reserve the right to state my opinion in the correct place as is my right, hence posting in this thread and not and of the 'loving a death row...' or 'friends of death row..' etc. That would purely be insensitive and callous and though I'm sure some would beg to differ, I am neither cruel nor callous, nor am I insensitive. You should allow me more credit than that and as I respect you opinion, you must respect mine. I appreciate your time.

There is always a time and place for everything. This is a support site, not a debate site. You do have a right to your opinion, but this is really not the place to come to to say that you believe in the death penalty and get offended when people get upset. Many here have watched people be executed and of course, emotions are going to run high. Saying you believe in the death penalty is only saying that you believe that the husband, son, daughter, friend, mom, dad of people who are on this boardv deserve to be put to death.

Joy · #24 03-01-2009, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by She'sMyAngel

I'm sorry if any of you feel insulted by my previous post. .

We don't feel 'insulted'. It's a defense mechanism when some one comes in and says that the person we love deserves to die. Can you understand the difrerence?

beez0811 · #25 02-28-2009, 10:51 PM

True, Joy, but what about the other side of the whole story?

I thought this place was supposed to be neutral, neither for or against.