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HOPE4FUTURE · #1 09-07-2010, 04:09 PM

http://www.detnews.com/article/20100...ment-by-police

sisnik · #2 09-07-2010, 04:41 PM

Well then they need to follow the governors plan and cut some of those petty crime inmates loose. I disagree with those who say that making that type of cut will not show any immediate change in the budget they just don't want to go through with it.

sisnik

countryblocks · #3 09-07-2010, 06:59 PM

Sounds like they pity everyone but the inmate who has served their time. I didn't read anything about bringing back good behavior.

HOPE4FUTURE · #4 09-08-2010, 07:17 AM

No word yet about Corrections. Keep our fingers crossed they let a bunch out.

http://www.freep.com/article/2010090...out-a-tax-hike

iluvaaron710 · #5 09-09-2010, 03:58 PM

How would they be able to let any inmates out early? Wouldn't that violate Truth in Sentencing? I think this will be a wonderful thing. Im saddened that Michigan is in such money trouble but cutting in corrections is the way to go

RAJustice · #6 09-09-2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by iluvaaron710

How would they be able to let any inmates out early? Wouldn't that violate Truth in Sentencing? I think this will be a wonderful thing. Im saddened that Michigan is in such money trouble but cutting in corrections is the way to go

They can do anything they want. They just have to pass a new law and they do it all the time.

RA

HOPE4FUTURE · #7 09-09-2010, 07:55 PM

There are still many in there that would not be let out early, they are past their early release date.

RAJustice · #8 09-12-2010, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by HOPE4FUTURE

There are still many in there that would not be let out early, they are past their early release date.

Yes, there are a lot of guys past their ERD or who qualify for boot camp but have not been allowed to go. All of these guys could be processed out without changing any laws.

RA

HOPE4FUTURE · #9 09-12-2010, 06:26 AM

Reading the newest articles on the budget for 2011 I do not see many changes coming our way. It appears that they are getting Federal money and using that to cover their butts and worry about it next year. Same ole same ole.

countryblocks · #10 09-12-2010, 11:39 AM

I watched abc12 news yesterday and there is going to be a tv commercial. She said Michigan Correctioners Officers take message to airwaves. the ad will be unveiled this week aimed at making the public aware of how dangerous an officers job is inside. MCO said jobs are more important cause there are 12 closed prisons and more officer assaults.Bill Henderson worked ther for 18 years. The ad wil show Chad who was stabbed by and inmate with a metal rod.They want the public to know they risk their lives. He mentioned Granholm wanting to cut $50 million but he says he hopes she looks at other places.He said corrections have given alot. My husband and I went to visit our son last week. We were the only visitors. He is level 1. The guards just stood around talking. The one in the visiting room was making paper wads. My husband asked him if he was bored and he said yes. Wouldn't that make a nice tv commercial? All I ever hear in the news is that they have a dangerous job. My son is not dangerous. He's just hungry all the time and has lost weight. Why do they alway think they need more money? There's 2 sides to this and all they ever talk about is the overpaid babysitters.

HOPE4FUTURE · #11 09-12-2010, 11:49 AM

The commercial is posted on the Michigan Corrections Association site on Facebook if you want to see it. More bs!

countryblocks · #12 09-12-2010, 12:21 PM

where is the money coming from to pay for the ad? This isn't fair because they always talk about dangerous felons and never mention the ones who bother no one. My son is just doing his time and bothers no one. He has nothing to do.He attends AA. If the state wants to give the doc money they can give it to inmates for the help they need.

HOPE4FUTURE · #13 09-12-2010, 12:29 PM

The money would come from the union for the ad, not the state.

fwhite02 · #14 09-12-2010, 03:52 PM

What is this really going to show, most violent offenders cause no trouble in there, and other people are just doing there time staying out of trouble. They can not stereotype all prisoners. I wonder what they think this is going to accomplish. the public has no say on who the board releases. This will more than likely scare people only.

fwhite02 · #15 09-12-2010, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by countryblocks

I watched abc12 news yesterday and there is going to be a tv commercial. She said Michigan Correctioners Officers take message to airwaves. the ad will be unveiled this week aimed at making the public aware of how dangerous an officers job is inside. MCO said jobs are more important cause there are 12 closed prisons and more officer assaults.Bill Henderson worked ther for 18 years. The ad wil show Chad who was stabbed by and inmate with a metal rod.They want the public to know they risk their lives. He mentioned Granholm wanting to cut $50 million but he says he hopes she looks at other places.He said corrections have given alot. My husband and I went to visit our son last week. We were the only visitors. He is level 1. The guards just stood around talking. The one in the visiting room was making paper wads. My husband asked him if he was bored and he said yes. Wouldn't that make a nice tv commercial? All I ever hear in the news is that they have a dangerous job. My son is not dangerous. He's just hungry all the time and has lost weight. Why do they alway think they need more money? There's 2 sides to this and all they ever talk about is the overpaid babysitters.

When I used to visit chippewa they did nothing while in the visting room ,this one CO read a book, and listened to music the whole time. She was nice about it and asked us if we minded her listening to the radio we said no. When she walked away my husband was like she has all the power she can do whatever she wants to we can't. They do get bored just sitting there and watching. The budget is going to to get help with a commerical, I don't think so maybe I am wrong. No matter what prisoners are still going to be realeased there is nothing they can do about that in the long run. Unless they try to keep everyone in there until their max date which still will not work because with truth in sentenicing I think the shortest max date is 15 years maybe I am wrong but my husband has a 20 year max, he cousin has a 20 year max, my cousin has an 16 year max and so on. I don't get it at times, so I don't even try to understand the mdoc anymore.

RAJustice · #16 09-12-2010, 05:34 PM

The commercial is paid for by MCO, Michigan Corrections Officers Union. The union gets dues from each officer each month. I'm not MCO, I'm UAW but my dues are about 25.00 a month. At one time the DOC had 17,000 employees. Just guessing, I'd say that 2/3's of those are unionized. So let's say 11,300 unionized employees x $25.00 a month = 282,500 x 12 months = $3,390,00 Yep, that's three million dollars!

Every closed position costs the union money. The unions contribute a lot of money to political campaigns. So in my opinion these comercials are not about officers, inmates, citizen safety et. it's just politics.

RA

fwhite02 · #17 09-12-2010, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RAJustice

The commercial is paid for by MCO, Michigan Corrections Officers Union. The union gets dues from each officer each month. I'm not MCO, I'm UAW but my dues are about 25.00 a month. At one time the DOC had 17,000 employees. Just guessing, I'd say that 2/3's of those are unionized. So let's say 11,300 unionized employees x $25.00 a month = 282,500 x 12 months = $3,390,00 Yep, that's three million dollars!

Every closed position costs the union money. The unions contribute a lot of money to political campaigns. So in my opinion these comercials are not about officers, inmates, citizen safety et. it's just politics.

RA

This is my thought as well, because the commerical will not stop the board from releasing inmates so that has to be the purpose of it, besides scaring people in the community where it airs.

countryblocks · #18 09-12-2010, 07:03 PM

Will the state give in and not make any cuts when they see this commercial? They are overcrowded and my son complains about the food. They save money by cutting the food back but we pay for it because we can order food for them. They need to show a commercial about the visiting room. We were the only ones there. At least they would get an idea how hard they don't work.

HOPE4FUTURE · #19 09-12-2010, 07:04 PM

That's their point is to make sure everyone knows how dangerous the prisoners are and scare everyone and remind them how hard they work.

RAJustice · #20 09-13-2010, 06:53 AM

I was thinking about this last night when I should have been sound asleep. We do want our loved ones released but while they are being held we want the conditions they are held in to be as safe as possible.

The guards want their working conditions to be as safe as possible. This is a shared goal. Less crowding, decent food and a higher ratio of guards to inmates helps both groups.

The only point on which we differ is how we would achieve less crowding. They would open more prisons. We would release inmates that we believe would not pose a threat to society.

So far the only outlet we have to voice our opinions is in the comment sections after articles posted online. When we do this we need to use facts and common sense. By ranting, guards are making themselves look like overpaid goons instead of highly paid professionals. This doesn't help us achieve safer conditions but it does give the public a better idea of what conditions are like in our prison system. It tips the scales in our favor.

So let them call public attention to their jobs. The shine they are trying to put on their image will wear off quickly.

RA

walkermom · #21 09-13-2010, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by countryblocks

I watched abc12 news yesterday and there is going to be a tv commercial. She said Michigan Correctioners Officers take message to airwaves. the ad will be unveiled this week aimed at making the public aware of how dangerous an officers job is inside. MCO said jobs are more important cause there are 12 closed prisons and more officer assaults.Bill Henderson worked ther for 18 years. The ad wil show Chad who was stabbed by and inmate with a metal rod.They want the public to know they risk their lives. He mentioned Granholm wanting to cut $50 million but he says he hopes she looks at other places.He said corrections have given alot. My husband and I went to visit our son last week. We were the only visitors. He is level 1. The guards just stood around talking. The one in the visiting room was making paper wads. My husband asked him if he was bored and he said yes. Wouldn't that make a nice tv commercial? All I ever hear in the news is that they have a dangerous job. My son is not dangerous. He's just hungry all the time and has lost weight. Why do they alway think they need more money? There's 2 sides to this and all they ever talk about is the overpaid babysitters.

I had the same experience on Friday. My son was transferred back to Parr Highway last week and we arrived at 6:10 pm. We didn't get in until around 7pm. There was one man waiting in the waiting room, he said he was waiting for his wife. After about 10-15 minutes the girl finally came out. I asked her about my sons birth certificate, if I had to take it in with me during the visit. She got a little hot under the collar and said no, policy says you don't have to. I told her I was just asking because at the facility before, cooper, they made me take it in. We sat for about 20 minutes and then I asked another guard if they were busy inside. He replied "no more than usual". He then told her that I asked about how busy it was and she then got on the phone to someone and told them that we were complaining and that it was not their "$ucking" fault.
She spent more time twirling her hair and flirting with the male guards than doing her job. Because my son had been there before, for six years, most of the guards knew us. When we were taken into the VR, the VR guard told us to sit anywhere and she got upset about that too!
She spent most of the next hour inside the VR talking to the VR guard.
After 10.5 + years I take it, not with a grain of salt, but a salt mine and try and kill them with kindness.
I'm going back this coming Friday, so we will see how she behaves then. If it is the same rude treatment, then I think I will make a call.

fwhite02 · #22 09-13-2010, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by walkermom

I had the same experience on Friday. My son was transferred back to Parr Highway last week and we arrived at 6:10 pm. We didn't get in until around 7pm. There was one man waiting in the waiting room, he said he was waiting for his wife. After about 10-15 minutes the girl finally came out. I asked her about my sons birth certificate, if I had to take it in with me during the visit. She got a little hot under the collar and said no, policy says you don't have to. I told her I was just asking because at the facility before, cooper, they made me take it in. We sat for about 20 minutes and then I asked another guard if they were busy inside. He replied "no more than usual". He then told her that I asked about how busy it was and she then got on the phone to someone and told them that we were complaining and that it was not their "$ucking" fault.
She spent more time twirling her hair and flirting with the male guards than doing her job. Because my son had been there before, for six years, most of the guards knew us. When we were taken into the VR, the VR guard told us to sit anywhere and she got upset about that too!
She spent most of the next hour inside the VR talking to the VR guard.
After 10.5 + years I take it, not with a grain of salt, but a salt mine and try and kill them with kindness.
I'm going back this coming Friday, so we will see how she behaves then. If it is the same rude treatment, then I think I will make a call.

I like when you say that you try and kill them with kindness this is what we have to do, becuase we only get to see our loved ones at certain times and if you are fuming over the treatment you won't get to enjoy the time that you do have. I want to enjoy my time with my husband and I am not going to let anything or anyone take that away from me. So I know actually what you are saying.

sucker4mylove · #23 09-15-2010, 07:55 PM

i'd be happy to contribute a few bucks towards getting that video of - what was that CO's name, Tanya? the one with the liberally-used cuffs - on tv.

RAJustice · #24 09-16-2010, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by sucker4mylove

i'd be happy to contribute a few bucks towards getting that video of - what was that CO's name, Tanya? the one with the liberally-used cuffs - on tv.

Yeah that would be good LOL

ginarop · #25 09-18-2010, 07:21 PM

The thread title is "Mich Corr Officer Union, not just on billboards" and right now (until someone else posts) is right after this thread (if you want to see it).

Quote:

Originally Posted by countryblocks

I watched abc12 news yesterday and there is going to be a tv commercial. She said Michigan Correctioners Officers take message to airwaves. the ad will be unveiled this week aimed at making the public aware of how dangerous an officers job is inside. MCO said jobs are more important cause there are 12 closed prisons and more officer assaults.Bill Henderson worked ther for 18 years. The ad wil show Chad who was stabbed by and inmate with a metal rod.They want the public to know they risk their lives. He mentioned Granholm wanting to cut $50 million but he says he hopes she looks at other places.He said corrections have given alot. My husband and I went to visit our son last week. We were the only visitors. He is level 1. The guards just stood around talking. The one in the visiting room was making paper wads. My husband asked him if he was bored and he said yes. Wouldn't that make a nice tv commercial? All I ever hear in the news is that they have a dangerous job. My son is not dangerous. He's just hungry all the time and has lost weight. Why do they alway think they need more money? There's 2 sides to this and all they ever talk about is the overpaid babysitters.