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ilovejeremy · #1 02-15-2011, 05:36 PM

So I'm not gonna lie, I've used drugs before. I can't recall ever being asked by a dealer to get high. It's other users who recruit new users. But it's people selling drugs who are locked up for great lengths of time. But as soon as one is locked up, another one takes his place. And users get minimal time. I know I can't change things, but am I crazy? Is this not working?

22mom · #2 02-16-2011, 07:13 PM

You're right, our Nations war on drugs has failed miserably. People using drugs get alot of time too. Is that right? First offense non violent users can get quite a bit of time. They are ill, they need rehabilitation and education. In my opinion, drug dealers are preying on our kids, our parents, our grandkids. You are right, there would be no need for drug dealers if there weren't people willing to use. I wish I had the answer, I am the mother of a 19 year old addict. I feel the pain of addiction everyday.

BreezyBaby · #3 02-16-2011, 07:18 PM

Most dealers Ive ever known were also users...So in my opinion they all need rehab not prison. Not to mention down here in Florida we have doctors handing out pills like candy to all ages,races, sexes, etc and they get NO punishment at all?? I dont see the system working out for anyone as it is now.

MarGrits · #4 02-17-2011, 09:34 AM

My boyfriend is being sentenced tomorrow for trafficking (according to a CI - right…), and he is almost definately getting 3 years. First time, non-violent…where's the rehab? Granted he's clean now and has been for almost a year but since when does sending someone to prison help them or the community? Wouldn't letting him go to college, get and job and move on with his life be far more benificial for all? I am not a fan of minimum mandatory sentencing at all…

22mom · #5 02-18-2011, 08:35 AM

MarGrits, I agree mandatory minimum sentencing is crazy. My son first time non violent did a "beer run", no weapons, nothing, stole a 12 pack of beer. He got 9 months. He plead to Grand Theft after he was charged with Robbery. It's craziness. But....he is an addict, they did not get him for being under the influence. I am hoping though that this is a lesson learned and hopefully for your bf too, as harsh as it is. Fortunately, my son is in a Rehabilitation Center where he will be doing a program, 5 hours a day NA, anger management and all of the things that go along with drug abuse. He was honest with his Public Defender and said "I need help" Good luck to you

MrsG22010 · #6 02-24-2011, 11:47 AM

I couldn't agree more.

My husband had 4 grams of coke on him. First felony. They gave him intent to deliver and busted him with 20 years. Why the girl who was at his house at the time using them...got 180 days. Which were up before my husband even got to go to his hearing for his bond reduction.

A guy I know got caught with 12 x pills. Got charged with "manslaughter." And the guy who bought 7 off him and got caught with them, got 5 years defeered probation. Which means after 5 years, he wont even have a felony on his record.

What's really sick...at my husbands bond reduction hearing...a man who sexually abused a child got out on a $30 PR bond which his public defender paid. Why my husbands request for his $100,000 bond to be reduced...denied. Some justice system we have. You just took all his drugs and his money...and wont even reduce his bond to an amount that is reasonable...not like he's going to be able to jump out there and start right back up. But, heck...this guy molested a child, lets let him go for less then the price of dinner at red lobster. WOW

22mom · #7 02-25-2011, 01:59 PM

MrsG22010, where is the justice?! I no longer have faith in our criminal justice system. I never realized before my son got into trouble. I am now aware. My sympathy for what you are dealing with. 20 years?! Where is the justice?

foolsjourney · #8 02-25-2011, 03:40 PM

I must say that there are a lot of things at play here. Because drugs have become an epidemic in our country they are throwing people in jail for longer and longer sentences as a deterrant and it really isn't working. Kentucky has just started a new program to send offenders to rehab instead of prison...hopefully it will do some good. There was an article in our paper a couple of weeks ago that discussed the amount of abuse of RX drugs and the things that KY is doing to crack down on it..such as dealing with the Docs handing it out. They said in this article that we have a statewide system that is free for Docs to use that helps track RX shoppers but that the majority still don't use it. They also said the same thing about FL another poster said that many people drive back and forth from FL weekly to get the RX's (that's a 10-16 hr drive)...In fact there was a story a week or two go that a car got stopped and all the people (4) were on their way back from Florida after a trip to buy Oxycontin...the girl in the backseat had died, and the rest were so high they never noticed and just kept on driving. Some people will sell drugs no matter what sort of help/rehab/prison they get...some people will lie to their Docs....But if it's a controlled substance Dr's should be held accountable for what they put out into society...if you are dispensing drugs irresponsibly..where is their sentence? Why do they still have a license...perhaps if they threatened the source (the highly paid Dr.) then they might use the tools at hand. And while you can say another drug dealer will take their place...just a few weeks ago...they talked about a guy who got arrested for dealing...3 times in 1 week. Wow...we have a really screwed society...how will we ever get it straightened out. I think what they really need is group therapy to deal with whatever is driving people to want to escape from reality...cause it sure is rampant.

alwayslovinghim · #9 02-27-2011, 05:17 AM

my theory is the user should do the time. you don't arrest the doctor when the patient misuses the drug, don't arrest the dealer when you smoke boat and then go out here and do dumb shit. At this point if you get hooked on a hard drug, knowing the health risk and other consequences then more power to you - you do the time

Vixen311 · #10 02-27-2011, 03:44 PM

oh hell yes you got that right!!

Vixen311 · #11 02-27-2011, 03:46 PM

oh hell yes, you got that right.!!!!

Brianssong · #12 02-27-2011, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by alwayslovinghim

my theory is the user should do the time. you don't arrest the doctor when the patient misuses the drug, don't arrest the dealer when you smoke boat and then go out here and do dumb shit. At this point if you get hooked on a hard drug, knowing the health risk and other consequences then more power to you - you do the time

what about the doctors giving people DRUGS, very addictive drugs, who don't really need them?? it's not so black and white as saying don't arrest the doctor, or dealer, arrest the user....when doctors knowingly give addictive pills to people just to appease them, they're just as guilty as a drug pusher in my opinion....

ohsweetmaryjane · #13 02-27-2011, 10:56 PM

I would agree that the War on Drugs is a huge failure. BUT, in my opinion, dealers have to get longer punishments than users strictly because their behavior affects so many more. They are spreading poison into the community which is killing people. And as for them not pushing it on anyone, in my area they give out free samples of heroin to build their business.

Obviously both SUPPLY and DEMAND need to be addressed, however, if this is ever going to end.

ImSoLost · #14 02-28-2011, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 22mom

MrsG22010, where is the justice?! I no longer have faith in our criminal justice system. I never realized before my son got into trouble. I am now aware. My sympathy for what you are dealing with. 20 years?! Where is the justice?

Im actually a criminal justice major and now im learning i dont think i want anything to do with the system because now my husband is a felon and im going to be barred from certian jobs within because of a conflict of interest and well either way i just have no faith either and im not sure how im supposed to go and do a job in which i dont beleive in

ImSoLost · #15 02-28-2011, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianssong

what about the doctors giving people DRUGS, very addictive drugs, who don't really need them?? it's not so black and white as saying don't arrest the doctor, or dealer, arrest the user....when doctors knowingly give addictive pills to people just to appease them, they're just as guilty as a drug pusher in my opinion....

My husband had surgery and became addicted because his doctor handed them out like candy and even when my husband said he was feeling better she kept saying here take one more script just in case you cant get back in and it will tide you over... yes my husband should have thrown it away but like i said by that time he became addicted