SISP......Could this be the alternative to prison????

[law~curious]

Im pretty new to sisp program. Actually Ive learned all I know about it from this site.So if Im not politically or lawfully correct about it.....correct me.
But I think that the SISP is the perfect alternative to prison. A person can work and support himself while paying his "debt to society"......I think is a workable idea all around the table.But I propose that offender get to his time in his on home. Providing his offense didnt occurr in the home.

[Real Checker]

Maybe for some. I do not believe there is a one size fits all when it comes to incarceration, no matter if it is in the institution or out. Using myself as an example, it would have been very unlikely I would have succeeded SISP because it took the resources and structure only being in prison provided for me to get my life right. I would have failed SISP because my character would not have changed enough to handle the responsibility. Had SISP been used as a means for me to be released a little sooner ... well that might have worked except that it would have been a hindrance to my success. That's just me, and that is my point that it would not be an end all be all answer.

My personal belief is that there should be two types of prisons that a person could be sentence to server time in. One with the objective of protecting society from their presence, and the other to rehabilitate and educate those who are willing to change their lives. As it is now they are all just lumped together and those who have something to offer society are not given a very good chance at it. A person's behavior, not their criminal record, would dictate which prison they would be incarcerated in.

I have a pretty optimistic view of the men and women behind bars, and I believe if there would be the two types of prisons I described that the punitive one would have a very small population and the rehabilitative one would have practically no recidivism.

The problem with using SISP as an alternative to prison is that at the time a person is convicted they are often just coming off drugs, very bitter, poorly educated, and all manner of irresponsible and to take that person and expect them to tow the line on SISP just doesn't seem practical. Not until they have had time to clean up and get their minds in the right place for excepting such responsibility. Once a person has been incarcerated a while and they have in their sober mind to do right then SISP would be only and inconvenience and not so much something they are struggling against.

[law~curious]

Originally Posted by Real Checker

Maybe for some. I do not believe there is a one size fits all when it comes to incarceration, no matter if it is in the institution or out. Using myself as an example, it would have been very unlikely I would have succeeded SISP because it took the resources and structure only being in prison provided for me to get my life right. I would have failed SISP because my character would not have changed enough to handle the responsibility. Had SISP been used as a means for me to be released a little sooner ... well that might have worked except that it would have been a hindrance to my success. That's just me, and that is my point that it would not be an end all be all answer.

My personal belief is that there should be two types of prisons that a person could be sentence to server time in. One with the objective of protecting society from their presence, and the other to rehabilitate and educate those who are willing to change their lives. As it is now they are all just lumped together and those who have something to offer society are not given a very good chance at it. A person's behavior, not their criminal record, would dictate which prison they would be incarcerated in.

I have a pretty optimistic view of the men and women behind bars, and I believe if there would be the two types of prisons I described that the punitive one would have a very small population and the rehabilitative one would have practically no recidivism.

The problem with using SISP as an alternative to prison is that at the time a person is convicted they are often just coming off drugs, very bitter, poorly educated, and all manner of irresponsible and to take that person and expect them to tow the line on SISP just doesn't seem practical. Not until they have had time to clean up and get their minds in the right place for excepting such responsibility. Once a person has been incarcerated a while and they have in their sober mind to do right then SISP would be only and inconvenience and not so much something they are struggling against.

I agree! And in a lot of cases related to drugs, the judge orders some type of drug program to be completed before release anyway. I can see giving them a month or two as a dry out period. But if its as strict as I hear. .....I Think it will work.

[Firebrand]

And so we’re sharing our thoughts on SISP, huh? If you come home to family, a good woman in your life, a real home, maybe a job or maybe not then, you’ve got something to work with that’ll keep you sane if you have to go a minimum of one year on SISP. It’s do-able under those circumstances.

It’s also do-able if you go to a halfway house on the side of town where the bad folks come out at night. It’s do-able in spite of the possible reality that the only thing you have to show for the years spent in prison is the nose on the end of your face because everyone and everything else is gone or they’ve died. It’s do-able under those circumstances, but you’re worse the wear it’s put on you.

SISP is not the same hardship to bear for someone who is has support, love, and a safe haven to come home to compared to the rest of us who’ve been thrown into a lion’s den where freedom is concerned. Still…..it is what it is. You do it and stay out here or you fail and go back to prison.

“Is it practical? Is it for the benefit of public safety that SISP be given the merit its due? Is it the solution or a solution?”

I don’t know? It’s a degree of accountability that most people cringe at the thought of being subjected to. It forces a person to be real about upholding the conditions of parole.

“Is it better than prison?”

It is a type of prison that exists in the Free World.

“Yeah, I know, but that’s not what I ask you. What I ask you is it better than prison?”

It doesn’t matter whether it is or not; I’d never admit it and along with that, go eat your shorts!!

“Do you think SISP will make you appreciate your freedom more when you do finally get off of it? Has it made you a better person?”

It may have made me a better person, but that’s more than I can say for most of the people I’ve met while I’ve been on SISP out here. You see the real Free World when you get out of prison on SISP. You see the side of it that you need to see and yet, struggle not to be hurt by. You become bitter or you become stronger, but you can’t become both. In the end, the best of the whole lot are a group of people called PTO.

[missmybebe]

Originally Posted by Firebrand

And so we’re sharing our thoughts on SISP, huh? If you come home to family, a good woman in your life, a real home, maybe a job or maybe not then, you’ve got something to work with that’ll keep you sane if you have to go a minimum of one year on SISP. It’s do-able under those circumstances.

It’s also do-able if you go to a halfway house on the side of town where the bad folks come out at night. It’s do-able in spite of the possible reality that the only thing you have to show for the years spent in prison is the nose on the end of your face because everyone and everything else is gone or they’ve died. It’s do-able under those circumstances, but you’re worse the wear it’s put on you.

SISP is not the same hardship to bear for someone who is has support, love, and a safe haven to come home to compared to the rest of us who’ve been thrown into a lion’s den where freedom is concerned. Still…..it is what it is. You do it and stay out here or you fail and go back to prison.

“Is it practical? Is it for the benefit of public safety that SISP be given the merit its due? Is it the solution or a solution?”

I don’t know? It’s a degree of accountability that most people cringe at the thought of being subjected to. It forces a person to be real about upholding the conditions of parole.

“Is it better than prison?”

It is a type of prison that exists in the Free World.

“Yeah, I know, but that’s not what I ask you. What I ask you is it better than prison?”

It doesn’t matter whether it is or not; I’d never admit it and along with that, go eat your shorts!!

“Do you think SISP will make you appreciate your freedom more when you do finally get off of it? Has it made you a better person?”

It may have made me a better person, but that’s more than I can say for most of the people I’ve met while I’ve been on SISP out here. You see the real Free World when you get out of prison on SISP. You see the side of it that you need to see and yet, struggle not to be hurt by. You become bitter or you become stronger, but you can’t become both. In the end, the best of the whole lot are a group of people called PTO.

You have became stronger!!!!!!!!!!!
Just as you've told me.... Wether you see it or not! Hang in there! You will be blessed!

[law~curious]

Originally Posted by Firebrand

And so we’re sharing our thoughts on SISP, huh? If you come home to family, a good woman in your life, a real home, maybe a job or maybe not then, you’ve got something to work with that’ll keep you sane if you have to go a minimum of one year on SISP. It’s do-able under those circumstances.

It’s also do-able if you go to a halfway house on the side of town where the bad folks come out at night. It’s do-able in spite of the possible reality that the only thing you have to show for the years spent in prison is the nose on the end of your face because everyone and everything else is gone or they’ve died. It’s do-able under those circumstances, but you’re worse the wear it’s put on you.

SISP is not the same hardship to bear for someone who is has support, love, and a safe haven to come home to compared to the rest of us who’ve been thrown into a lion’s den where freedom is concerned. Still…..it is what it is. You do it and stay out here or you fail and go back to prison.

“Is it practical? Is it for the benefit of public safety that SISP be given the merit its due? Is it the solution or a solution?”

I don’t know? It’s a degree of accountability that most people cringe at the thought of being subjected to. It forces a person to be real about upholding the conditions of parole.

“Is it better than prison?”

It is a type of prison that exists in the Free World.

“Yeah, I know, but that’s not what I ask you. What I ask you is it better than prison?”

It doesn’t matter whether it is or not; I’d never admit it and along with that, go eat your shorts!!

“Do you think SISP will make you appreciate your freedom more when you do finally get off of it? Has it made you a better person?”

It may have made me a better person, but that’s more than I can say for most of the people I’ve met while I’ve been on SISP out here. You see the real Free World when you get out of prison on SISP. You see the side of it that you need to see and yet, struggle not to be hurt by. You become bitter or you become stronger, but you can’t become both. In the end, the best of the whole lot are a group of people called PTO.

Just like any other thing...... You get out what you put in......and itll work for the individual that allows it. Im sure its not an easy adjustment but I can still see the silver lining in the cloud.
As difficult as it may be..... Im seeing that it stills offers that minute peace of freedom that will allow a child not to be totally fatherless,keeps a mother from being the lone provider....basically keeping the "FABRIC", that holds a family together, strong. Also I believe that a person that would be granted an opportunity to work,save some money,and start building a small foundation.....is less likely to repeat! Its less likely that his son will be a prisoner. Less likely that his family will need government assistance. I truly understand when you said "you'd never admit" believe me I do!!! And especially while you're still state property. But I know from experience that when you think of the penitentary...... I mean the actual "house of attitudes"......any morsel of freedom,equality,or just plain ole diginity is held in high regard. I think SISP is the line in the sand......... correcting/corrupting