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Old 12-07-2017, 12:33 PM
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Im not comparing my situation, stress or pain to anyone who has had to serve time. I have mentioned multiple times how grateful, fortunate and lucky I am.
I am only relaying my experience, personal thoughts, and some advice.
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You make me laugh and, that is really hard for " Someone of privilege" as you called me, to do. I am also totally regretting my socio-economic status. Hopefully one day I can change that.
I know I had read in one of your posts that you had to scrape, save and borrow to pay back the $400k.

So in reality it wasn't your charming personality that got you leniency. You bought your way out. Nothing wrong with that, like I said, nice work but it's sort of patronizing for you to tell the rest of us to mind our manners.

I''m not a child. I know how and when to be respectful and I'm totally ok with my sentence because I deserved it. Do you really think you got what you deserved ? NO, no it wasn't luck. You didnt get lucky. It was your money. In our amazing legal system, you can buy your way out.

However, in China, they execute white collar criminals so don't think about going "worldwide" with your scam, because if you can't handle the stress here, think how stressful real punishment might be. But they do harvest your organs so at least you'd be "giving back" to the community. That's a comforting thought.
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TTTy, that's enough. Worldwide presented and shared his experience, and that makes it valid for him. Many people pay their restitution before they're ever imprisoned, so it's not like he's unique. The fact that he could pay off that much is .... well, good for him. Maybe you can't pay yours, but that's not to say that you're better than he is or vice versa.

Please, stop attacking him with that underhanded snideness.
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I know I had read in one of your posts that you had to scrape, save and borrow to pay back the $400k.

So in reality it wasn't your charming personality that got you leniency. You bought your way out. Nothing wrong with that, like I said, nice work but it's sort of patronizing for you to tell the rest of us to mind our manners.

I''m not a child. I know how and when to be respectful and I'm totally ok with my sentence because I deserved it. Do you really think you got what you deserved ? NO, no it wasn't luck. You didnt get lucky. It was your money. In our amazing legal system, you can buy your way out.

However, in China, they execute white collar criminals so don't think about going "worldwide" with your scam, because if you can't handle the stress here, think how stressful real punishment might be. But they do harvest your organs so at least you'd be "giving back" to the community. That's a comforting thought.
This just blows my mind no wonder you got 5 years if this is how you sound in person!!! By the way in plenty of uncivilized places they cut out your tongue for speaking out against the government!!! Here in the US you get bonus miles for tweeting your shit!!!
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TTTy may be snide, but he does have a point.

OP didn't get a downward departure for being "polite."

He got a downward departure because he was able to pay off restitution completely before he ever got sentenced. Period.

Nothing wrong with that, but let's not pretend this is anything other than what it is.

In our criminal "justice" system, money talks and bullshit walks. It is what it is.
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TTTy may be snide, but he does have a point.

OP didn't get a downward departure for being "polite."

He got a downward departure because he was able to pay off restitution completely before he ever got sentenced. Period.

Nothing wrong with that, but let's not pretend this is anything other than what it is.

In our criminal "justice" system, money talks and bullshit walks. It is what it is.
In my initial post I mentioned a number of factors I felt helped me along the way. Restitution was certainly one of them and you could be right. It may have been the overriding factor that got me the downward departure. However, each thing I described helped to some degree. I know it did as the Judge mentioned it at my sentencing. He explained the things I did that made him depart from a guideline sentence. Letters of support, speeches, charitable work etc.. I personally feel that being courteous along the way made this experience a little less painful.
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In my initial post I mentioned a number of factors I felt helped me along the way. Restitution was certainly one of them and you could be right. It may have been the overriding factor that got me the downward departure. However, each thing I described helped to some degree. I know it did as the Judge mentioned it at my sentencing. He explained the things I did that made him depart from a guideline sentence. Letters of support, speeches, charitable work etc.. I personally feel that being courteous along the way made this experience a little less painful.
My husband also paid his full restitution as well as performed volunteer/charitable work (throughout his life), had great letters of support, cooperated with the government, was working with a therapist, was pleasant, etc. and also as previously mentioned also received a well below the guidelines sentence. The Judge made a point to mention all of the above just and more, just as the OP mentioned. He did everything he could to correct his mistake and more as well as putting himself in the best light for the Judge to show what kind of person he really was. He had a stellar career before this incident happened in 2006, and had not a single incident in the years since that incident either. The judge took all of that into consideration. It is not all based only on the restitution, but our lawyer told us on day 1 that paying the restitution would make a huge difference. My husband did not have money to pay the restitution, but we took all of our joint savings to pay towards it and he scrounged around to get a loan to pay the rest because it was emphasized how important it was. That doesn't make him privileged because he was able to do that. He had people who were willing to help him out and take a risk on him. They know he is a good person who made a mistake. He may never be able to pay them back, but he is certainly going to try.

Even people who have no money, can make efforts to show their willingness to pay it back, even if it's a nominal amount. So many people make no effort, or try to hide money. It's not a question of paying back $100k, $300k, or $1m. If you owe 10K and pay a few dollars, it shows you're making that effort to make the victim(s) whole. That's what matters, not the dollar amount.

I'm not really sure why everyone is dumping on the OP.
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All I know is that I was as "polite" as could be with everyone I dealt with during my first felony case, had plenty of letters of support, and everything.

But my lawyer flat out admitted: the only way to really avoid any prison time here is if you can pay back restitution in full before sentencing. It really does play that critical of a role.

In my first felony case, I had "only" stolen $19K. But I still ended up with a 2-to-10 year prison sentence hanging over my head, because the judge figured it would take me that long to pay it all back.

Had restitution not been an issue, I would have ended up with just probation for my first felony offense as well.
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Old 12-11-2017, 03:27 PM
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2-10 years is a big variance of a sentence! The guidelines for my husband were 57-71 months and his restitution was nearly 400k. He also didn't steal anything, so the cases were obviously very different.

Was your case not federal? Maybe that is some of the difference.

If my husband's case were just 19K he definitely would have had just probation! I would think most people would have as well. A lot of people can get a credit card cash advance and get that money to pay off in just a cash advance. I know, not all and I'm not trying to be snotty about it. I wish the restitution for him had only been 19k!
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Yes, my case was state, not federal.

I was only 18 years old at the time and unemployed when I committed my burglaries / grand theft, so I had no income. As I had no credit history built up in my name, taking out a loan wasn't an option either.

If I had to do it all over again I could have tried to borrow from family to pay off that restitution in advance, although they would have been reluctant to pay for my debts as well.

I guess the moral of the story is: don't commit a property crime if you don't have the resources available to help mitigate your consequences.
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My husband also paid his full restitution as well as performed volunteer/charitable work (throughout his life), had great letters of support, cooperated with the government, was working with a therapist, was pleasant, etc. and also as previously mentioned also received a well below the guidelines sentence. The Judge made a point to mention all of the above just and more, just as the OP mentioned. He did everything he could to correct his mistake and more as well as putting himself in the best light for the Judge to show what kind of person he really was. He had a stellar career before this incident happened in 2006, and had not a single incident in the years since that incident either. The judge took all of that into consideration. It is not all based only on the restitution, but our lawyer told us on day 1 that paying the restitution would make a huge difference. My husband did not have money to pay the restitution, but we took all of our joint savings to pay towards it and he scrounged around to get a loan to pay the rest because it was emphasized how important it was. That doesn't make him privileged because he was able to do that. He had people who were willing to help him out and take a risk on him. They know he is a good person who made a mistake. He may never be able to pay them back, but he is certainly going to try.

Even people who have no money, can make efforts to show their willingness to pay it back, even if it's a nominal amount. So many people make no effort, or try to hide money. It's not a question of paying back $100k, $300k, or $1m. If you owe 10K and pay a few dollars, it shows you're making that effort to make the victim(s) whole. That's what matters, not the dollar amount.

I'm not really sure why everyone is dumping on the OP.
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Yes, my case was state, not federal.

I was only 18 years old at the time and unemployed when I committed my burglaries / grand theft, so I had no income. As I had no credit history built up in my name, taking out a loan wasn't an option either.

If I had to do it all over again I could have tried to borrow from family to pay off that restitution in advance, although they would have been reluctant to pay for my debts as well.

I guess the moral of the story is: don't commit a property crime if you don't have the resources available to help mitigate your consequences.
Well really the moral of the story for all is donít commit the crime period and then none of this is an issue for anyone! I donít mean just for you but for anyone! Sometimes people make mistakes and trust the wrong people and make mistakes but more often than not these things can all be avoided if we were all a little more careful and think before we act!
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Yep. Crime doesn't pay.

In fact, it can be rather costly at times. Both in terms of personal freedom and personal treasure.
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As I've learned, crime doesn't pay, criminals do.
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I find it so hard to believe that some people are crying foul on what the OP shared. Now let me explain myself. I am a federally convicted female. I am not higher economic status nor do I have any sort of "privilege". I broke the law. I did drugs. I sold drugs. I busted my ass to turn my life around prior to sentencing. I was given a downward departure and the sentencing judge said for the first ever he was going to sentence a drug crime to supervision only. Did I have a paid attorney? Nope. Did i pay anyone off? Nope. Did I have money to pay anyone off? Nope. When they swoop in and take control of your life you lose everything. So i had already lost anything material worth money. What made the difference? Maybe because instead of being bitter and negative I chose to change my life. I am a strong recovering addict who gives back to the community by speaking and sharing, traveling to places where recovery would otherwise not be obtainable. My husband got sentenced much more sternly than I did. Maybe because I had never had a criminal offense previously. I don't know. What I do know is every single thing that is considered an automatic negative was in place and yet here I am while my husband is incarcerated. Who are we to criticize what the OP was trying to share?
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DanielsWyf: Thanks for your post. Great attitude, sharing recovery and helping others is important. Hope your husband's time is bearable.
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