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Old 07-20-2017, 11:25 AM
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It's live. I've never seen a parole hearing in progress and I'm not sure how much this aligns with typical hearings, but it sure seems like he's doing every thing our loved ones are told not to do. :/

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Yeah I'm watching/listening to it. I don't think there's a snowball's change in hell he's getting out. He hasn't taken required classes and is still claiming that he was in the right.
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That was my thinking, too.
"Wasn't my idea" "I didn't even have a gun"
"I'm a good guy, always have been. People person, people love me."
"I've never made excuses"
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Also, one of the board members is wearing a KC Chiefs necktie. Ha!
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I am right now... via Facebook/NBC... interesting...
To me it's also a bit scary... just thinking about my guy and what he might be facing at some point...
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'“I’ve come here, spent nine years making no excuses,” Simpson said in his final statement. “I am sorry things turned out the way they did but I had no intent to commit a crime.'

....well.....if I happened to go to rob someone and in the midst of it I accidentally slipped while holding a knife and killed them...I'd still be charged with murder. He thinks he's untouchable. What a cocky way to show up to your parole hearing.
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To me it's also a bit scary... just thinking about my guy and what he might be facing at some point...
Mizzy, I think what you saw was a very reasonable line of questioning from the parole board and he absolutely, positively did everything in his own power to blow his shot.

Your guy, from what I recall, has been down a long time. Knowing what I know of you, you don't mess with idiots. He'll be well prepared and if they do not approve, it won't be because he made a hot mess of his hearing like we just watched.

Sidenote: I know an atty can't muzzle their client in a parole hearing, but if that was that guy's best job at prepping his client? Whoooo. I'm guessing he tried and just gave up at some point.
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Un-effing believable.

If my husband said what he said, they'd usher him back to his cell for a 5 year return. This is why no one has faith in our system.
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Un-effing believable.

If my husband said what he said, they'd usher him back to his cell for a 5 year return. This is why no one has faith in our system.
I nearly spit my tea all over my desk....are you freaking kidding me????? He acted like a total fool!
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I nearly spit my tea all over my desk....are you freaking kidding me????? He acted like a total fool!
All the commentary between the hearing and the vote included the words "no, horrifying, he's making excuses" and the second they flip back to the anchor, "Absolute relief. After 9 years for a crime, that frankly-- most wouldn't have served a day in prison for..."

AWD?? Really? No one serves time for that? I can name at least half a dozen off the top of my head.

I didn't expect to feel angry, but I am.
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Mizzy, I think what you saw was a very reasonable line of questioning from the parole board and he absolutely, positively did everything in his own power to blow his shot.

Your guy, from what I recall, has been down a long time. Knowing what I know of you, you don't mess with idiots. He'll be well prepared and if they do not approve, it won't be because he made a hot mess of his hearing like we just watched.

Sidenote: I know an atty can't muzzle their client in a parole hearing, but if that was that guy's best job at prepping his client? Whoooo. I'm guessing he tried and just gave up at some point.
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I felt like that was all scripted for prime time, like the networks paid the State of Nevada for it. I wonder if they had previously held a legitimate hearing behind closed doors with the outcome decided then staged this for publicity and ratings.
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Alternatively, it's possible Nevada wanted to get him out of there on the first hearing to minimize future media circuses.
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I wonder what the odds were in Vegas for OJ's parole?

So OJ knew he was going to get parole and his statements were just to make it as uncomfortable as possible for the Board and the state?

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I guess just to be clear: I think 9 years served is sufficient. If, and I have no reason to doubt, he kept his nose clean in there and at least made the effort to program (that felt shaky, actually), then OK.

But what burned me was that we know that our loved ones don't get a pass/no pass for "have you served enough time in prison?" as one of the board members set as the standard for eligibility. Our loved ones are hammered on insight, culpability, above average programming. All of which he failed miserably on.

It's the standard, or lack thereof, that angered me.
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Keep in mind that the victim in this case turned out to be the strongest advocate for his release. So that undoubtedly played a big role in their final decision to parole him.

It always helps when you don't have any victim(s) beating the drum for you to not be let out.
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Yes. So that makes me think-- many of the hearings that occur in California have no representation from the victim's side. A rep from the DA's office is there, but not the actual victim/victim's loved ones.

They're still not released (which goes back to the weight that insight and culpability seem to play in other hearings).

So the moral is: having a victim advocate for your release helps, having no statement from the victim side is a wash and having the victim side show up to ask for your continued incarceration is a bad sign.

Is that about right?
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Overlooked here is that 1) there was no prior history of criminal conviction and 2) he had a victim who was speaking in support of release and 3) he had a DA who had indicated that he did not oppose release if Simpson had complied with institutional rules. Oh, and the co-defendants all got less time despite being more culpable (ie. actually had the guns, took non-OJ stuff). Let us also not forget that he is 70 years of age and there is not exactly a lot of recidivism that occurs in that age bracket...

From the standpoint of the Board, the reality is that there are many factors here that are unique to THIS case that are NOT typically present in other robbery convictions. And, this was also not truly an initial parole review since he had previously been paroled from an earlier sentence in the sentencing sequence.

The other reality is that the sentence in this case was very much a second bite at the apple for the failures of the LA County prosecutors.
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Overlooked here is that 1) there was no prior history of criminal conviction and 2) he had a victim who was speaking in support of release and 3) he had a DA who had indicated that he did not oppose release if Simpson had complied with institutional rules. Oh, and the co-defendants all got less time despite being more culpable (ie. actually had the guns, took non-OJ stuff). Let us also not forget that he is 70 years of age and there is not exactly a lot of recidivism that occurs in that age bracket...

From the standpoint of the Board, the reality is that there are many factors here that are unique to THIS case that are NOT typically present in other robbery convictions. And, this was also not truly an initial parole review since he had previously been paroled from an earlier sentence in the sentencing sequence.

The other reality is that the sentence in this case was very much a second bite at the apple for the failures of the LA County prosecutors.
I do get that. I mean most of it. I think he's an example of not aging out of crime, but that's because my personal opinion of him is quite low and his (ahem) only conviction was ego driven. He clearly hasn't aged out of that.

I think I just want to be mad. I can admit that. I agree that his sentence was more than served, but jeez Louise. If that wasn't the poorest example of what our loved ones have to go through in order to be released, I don't know what was. I guess I'd prefer to not have seen it.
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I do wonder how many other prisoners watched that parole hearing live on TV and think they can just go in there with that same kind of cocky, unrepentant attitude as get paroled as well.

His circumstances were definitely unique. And generally the Board isn't too receptive to that kind of unremorseful approach to one's crime and not accepting full responsibility, etc.
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I've seen a lot of racial vitriol directed towards OJ Simpson the past week or so. Not necessarily here but online and in general. The man has always been unfairly targeted for his race. After the Murder Trial, he was unfairly targeted over the acquittal, as well. Hopefully this can be the first step to a new future for him and his family.
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jsanner, it's not racism, at least not in my case. I've been all over black crime cases for a long time, and my views tend strongly those my black friends have and what I see/hear/read from that viewpoint.

But I believed years ago and do now that he was guilty of the murders. Not because he was black, but because he's a freaking narcissist abuser. With that history, even though it never got him arrested, it was a very tiny leap to figuring out who 'might' have killed his ex-wife. He checks all the boxes for it.

Regardless, he was 'not guilty' of that, and now going to parole from crimes he was absolutely guilty of. He didn't do it the way most of the rest of our loved ones did, but he scored really well on their risk assessment evaluation, and that's the result.
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Maybe not in your case. But (as I pointed out), I wasn't specifying you. Almost all of the negativity I have seen directed towards OJ Simpson from the 90s until today has been because he was black. People were angry he married a beautiful white woman. People were angry he moved into a white neighborhood. People were angry he had white friends and wasn't the stereotype they wished him to be. It hasn't stopped and people are still hating on him because of the color of his skin.
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Maybe not in your case. But (as I pointed out), I wasn't specifying you. Almost all of the negativity I have seen directed towards OJ Simpson from the 90s until today has been because he was black. People were angry he married a beautiful white woman. People were angry he moved into a white neighborhood. People were angry he had white friends and wasn't the stereotype they wished him to be. It hasn't stopped and people are still hating on him because of the color of his skin.
You are looking for confirmation bias then.

The circumstantial evidence present in the case had nothing to do with race. Millions of people watched that trial unfold on live television (and learned just how unpolished many attorneys are- just think if they listed to oral arguments on appeals, which are actually often worse).

Do I believe OJ had involvement in the killings? Yes. Do I have a problem with the verdict? No. The system worked because the State failed to prove their case as required. However, NONE of what occurred in that courtroom was because OJ was black or because Nicole was a pretty white woman. It was ONLY on television because OJ was a celebrity, even if his movies tended to suck. After all, I don't remember a whole lot of coverage surrounding Michael Jace's trial, and I actually liked him a LOT more as an actor than I did OJ.

If someone was upset because OJ didn't toe what would be the #BLM party line today, then that is on them. If anything, OJ was the epitome of colorblind, both in HIS actions and those of his neighbors and social circle. He wasn't their token. And they weren't taken in by his money because, duh, they already had their own. Celebrity? Big effing deal. The reality is when you are already in those circles, you see them all the time and know they are just people. Personally, I never got the whole fawning over celebrities in the first place...
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