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This is awful...it just gets worse and worse
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btw, if it had been successful, Mr. Williams would have survived the night by virtue of Mr. Jones's execution. Apparently it took Arkansas more than 45 minutes to set the IV into Mr. Jones, including at least one attempt into the neck. Since Mr. Williams weighs in at over 400 lbs, and the problem with Mr. Jones was his size, the argument was unduly cruel and painful.
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btw, if it had been successful, Mr. Williams would have survived the night by virtue of Mr. Jones's execution. Apparently it took Arkansas more than 45 minutes to set the IV into Mr. Jones, including at least one attempt into the neck. Since Mr. Williams weighs in at over 400 lbs, and the problem with Mr. Jones was his size, the argument was unduly cruel and painful.
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Ya know, this inability to place an IV is 100% due to whoever is attempting it not having a fn clue what they're doing. 45 minutes to find a vein? bullshit. Pure Incompetence. That right there should be reason for cruel and unusual.
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I put that link up one minute after it was released.

Ya know, this inability to place an IV is 100% due to whoever is attempting it not having a fn clue what they're doing. 45 minutes to find a vein? bullshit. Pure Incompetence. That right there should be reason for cruel and unusual.
To be fair, Mr. Jones was over 350 lbs, had already lost a leg to diabetes, and was pretty vascularly compromised.

I suffered a vascular injury to my left arm as a result of my motorcycle accident. Combined with the 5 weeks of hospitalization, every subsequent surgery has resulted in some difficulty finding and keeping a vein. I can warn people up and down that there's a ton of scar tissue on veins with both arms, and most nurses disregard what I have to say until they are mandated by hospital policy to stop and get somebody else to try. And my veins were good until that point as I didn't have diabetes, worked out regularly, and was considered an "easy stick" (as my veins popped even without a tourniquet) prior to this whole thing. I now have a much greater appreciation for those with vascular problems including morbid obesity (which, while the veins might not be compromised, still makes it difficult to find them).

Details now are that they tried with Mr. Jones in the neck for 45 minutes before going elsewhere. By that, I'd figure they did a cut-down in his groin.

I also don't know the drug use of either man. IV use could lead to real problems and inmates in other states have been known to insert their own IV when it became too difficult to wait for a "pro" to do it right.
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While I was writing that, news just came down that Mr. Williams has been executed
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I also don't know the drug use of either man. IV use could lead to real problems and inmates in other states have been known to insert their own IV when it became too difficult to wait for a "pro" to do it right.
This is spot on. My dad was a drug user and always offered to place his own. It caused him a great deal of pain watching nurses pass the needle trying to place an iv when I was in labor with my first child.

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Since doctors won't participate in executions because of the Hippocratic oath (do no harm, and killing someone is certainly harmful), IV's and cut downs have to be initiated by less qualified prison staff.

That will always beg the question, botched or not, of could the process have been less cruel (but not unusual in the US) if a more qualified person was wielding the scalpel. You don't need a doctor to start an IV, but when problems arise, it may take one to get the procedure right.
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