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Old 03-04-2017, 10:18 PM
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My boyfriend said that he heard there is a possibility he could get stuck at 19 points and never be able to reduce from there. Called "Hard 19" How does this happen? Is there a way to avoid this kind of thing? He's serving 5 the beginning of 5 years at 85% VO, no priors.

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His offense disqualifies him from minimum custody which is why he is a "hard 19."
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I am not stating this as a fact, I am just saying if he does have a "hard 19" then that is why.
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His offense disqualifies him from minimum custody which is why he is a "hard 19."
If you look at the classification score sheet for CDCR, there is a 19 point "violent exclusion status" that stems from having a 667.5 charge. See section E. There is some discussion about the VIO being removed for some inmates during their annual review so they will qualify for lower level housing, but that information is very (very) thin right now and the outline for that happening isn't clear.

Right now, I would assume the Hard 19 will stay with him until CDCR says otherwise.
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Thank you. What does VIO mean? I see it a lot.
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Thank you. What does VIO mean? I see it a lot.
It means they were either charged with a violent felony (667.5) or a serious, non-violent charge that is still considered a risk for violent behaviour.
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I had a VIO and a hard "19" and I still went to an ankle monitor program my last year. The only thing it prevented was going to fire camp.
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Thank you for that reply! That's really cool that you got to do that! Can you tell me a little more about the process?
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I want to close the loop on this one too, my man was not Hard 19, at least I don't think so. All I know is that he is VIO and got into camp. He told me that he doesn't think he can do the ankle monitor program with his VIO tho, so if anyone has info on that it would be appreciated. Although I really think he loves what he is doing at camp and would almost rather finish out fighting fires than confined to home - even though he would be home, he likes to keep busy.
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I can't answer your question regarding ankle monitoring, but just in case anyone else finds this and has a LO with that Hard 19, it's not as "hard" as it was before. They are doing level overrides in some cases. So you may have 19 and still qualify for a min placement. It's reasonable for all inmates close to the next level down, with a clean record, to bring up the idea of level override at their annual review.

(1) An inmate with a placement score of 0 through 18 shall be placed in a Level I facility.
(2) An inmate with a placement score of 19 through 35 shall be placed in a Level II facility.
(3) An inmate with a placement score of 36 through 59 shall be placed in a Level III facility.
(4) An inmate with a placement score of 60 and above shall be placed in a Level IV facility.

In other words, if you're a Level 4 with 70 points at your annual review and you've not had a write up in 4-5 years, ask about dropping to a 3. They ARE doing it.
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I can't answer your question regarding ankle monitoring, but just in case anyone else finds this and has a LO with that Hard 19, it's not as "hard" as it was before. They are doing level overrides in some cases. So you may have 19 and still qualify for a min placement. It's reasonable for all inmates close to the next level down, with a clean record, to bring up the idea of level override at their annual review.

(1) An inmate with a placement score of 0 through 18 shall be placed in a Level I facility.
(2) An inmate with a placement score of 19 through 35 shall be placed in a Level II facility.
(3) An inmate with a placement score of 36 through 59 shall be placed in a Level III facility.
(4) An inmate with a placement score of 60 and above shall be placed in a Level IV facility.

In other words, if you're a Level 4 with 70 points at your annual review and you've not had a write up in 4-5 years, ask about dropping to a 3. They ARE doing it.

Mia, Quick question for you. If someone works out to 38 points (Level 3 facility) on the intake CDCR Form, does CDCR ever place them in a lower security facility if it is their first time, or account of a younger age, or if there are case factors like no one getting hurt during their crime?


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Younger age actually increases their points, so I can say no on that one. "Hurting someone" isn't exactly how they count that, it's whether their crime is considered violent. If he's a violent offender by his charge, those points will count (for now...).

He'll need to go to a level 3 and then work his way down. When he has a good record of conduct, then he can ask about transferring. Level 3 is not a bad place to be, at all. I'm sure there are some problematic yards, but mine is Level 3 SNY and he's happier here than he's ever been.
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My husband said another inmate was able to get the "hard 19" removed/waived by having no violent write ups or incidents for 7 years. Unfortunately that inmate was transferred before my husband could get more information. Does anyone have any information regarding that or possibly where I can find that information? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you!
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