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Old 08-17-2011, 07:54 PM
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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,7678191.story

found this in the Orlando paper just now.. thought some might want to read it..
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How could they not think about all those costs for laying that many people off? Looks like the back firing is starting to begin
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oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, the poor poor people that sit at the top. I thought the per dium rate was already decided? If not, what is the purpose of going private if its not saving Fl any money.

Meanwhile our inmates get shuffled and shuffled and fed less and less.
Back fire is a good way to put it, should be interesting to watch.

I had a nursing supervisor tell me one time. " About the time you think you got your a.. covered, someone comes along and yanks your pants down" Lots of butts are going to be showing. Maybe the 85% might get brought in.
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I just think once again Scott jumped the gun as he did with many other things when he first took office! This never should have even been on the table for discussion..
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http://www.tampabay.com/news/publics...cle1186300.ece

Here's another article on the topic stating it will cost the taxpayers $25 million to cover the cost of laying all the DOC employees off once they go private.
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Here's another article on the topic stating it will cost the taxpayers $25 million to cover the cost of laying all the DOC employees off once they go private.
Yes, that is what was stated in the other article too.. it stated they were in the red before they even started out as private.. how it wasn't going to really save anything.... basically same article
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Yes, that is what was stated in the other article too.. it stated they were in the red before they even started out as private.. how it wasn't going to really save anything.... basically same article
I'm sorry. I still can't seem to get the first link to load I came across this one this evening.
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I'm sorry. I still can't seem to get the first link to load I came across this one this evening.
that is ok.. they are the same basic story.. Let's just hope that the kink that is stopping it, stops the privatization for good
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Didn't we all say this was a really dumb idea about 6 months ago?

Good job FL DOC! Morons.
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http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/st...r-1775242.html

TALLAHASSEE — Under pressure from Gov. Rick Scott's office, Florida prison officials quietly terminated a $180,000, 10-month contract with a Washington, D.C. woman hired to oversee the state's planned privatization of health care for prisoners.

Department of Corrections Secretary Edwin Buss hired Elizabeth "Betty" Gondles almost immediately after his appointment to head the state prison system by Scott in January. Buss and Gondles had worked together during his tenure as prisons chief in Indiana.

PLEASE READ THE COMMENTS ON THIS ARTICLE IF YOU DON'T READ THE ARTICLE. IT DOESN'T GET MUCH BETTER THAN THIS MESS.
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I didn't want to create another thread for this, but thought it was interesting

http://www.tallahassee.com/article/2...entry-services
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I didn't want to create another thread for this, but thought it was interesting

http://www.tallahassee.com/article/2...entry-services
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Privatization plan is hands-off about prisoner re-entry services



By Michael Hallett

If you're drinking the Kool Aid in Tallahassee right now, the current effort to privatize Florida prisons in the southern part of the state involves an amazing moment of convergence: a Tea Party governor working with a conservative legislature to lower incarceration while reducing costs and helping former prisoners.
Corrections Secretary Ed Buss, speaking before the release of the request for proposals at a Florida TaxWatch event, spoke convincingly about "redefining corrections" and reducing the "corrections industrial complex." Meanwhile, the actual bid document, created amidst much secrecy and almost zero pubic or legislative input, sets performance standards at a disappointing level of "comparable to existing Department of Corrections facilities." The RFP also fudges issues of recidivism and hidden costs.
Now, it turns out that summarily firing 4,000 corrections officers will cost the state $25 million in "unanticipated" annual leave costs. But the proposal is even sneakier than that.
Instead of throwing down the gauntlet with demanding performance criteria, Secretary Buss has already announced that it would be "preferable" to award the whole contract to a single bidder. In what will be the largest correctional privatization contract in American history, a more deliberative process would be prudent.
Assuming you accept the logic of market forces controlling costs, then why would you bias the process in favor of an already monopolized industry, which itself lowers cost efficiency and accountability? Why not get the bids first and then decide?
Using only one provider renders the state subject to captivity by giving only one corporation so much control over a significant portion of the state budget — several hundred million dollars.
Moreover, serious questions exist about the proprietary claims of each separate item in the RFP. Many of the details of this proposal could well remain unavailable for pubic view, as part of a "proprietary" bidding process.
Are Floridians really going to fall for that?
But let's look at the details: By using a "blended per diem" rate in the contract, some facilities by definition will be loss leaders for the provider, particularly because this project involves satellite facilities as well as prisons. Monopoly corporations have succeeded in just this fashion in many states, which gives those corporations a competitive advantage over the State.
For such a large contract, separating the awards could well offer lower costs to the state across the board per facility. The current process doesn't even examine this question, even though a cost-benefit analysis is to be conducted. But you cannot conduct a true cost-benefit analysis without entertaining multiple providers.
Why not examine the bids and then decide which is best for the state?
Finally, the state is also using a watered-down measure of recidivism in this contract, counting only new instances of incarceration 24 months after release as a new crime. Given that it can easily take 18 months to fully adjudicate and incarcerate a newly released offender who commits a new crime right away, this recidivism measure is a sham.
Re-arrest rates, rather than re-incarceration rates, are the usual definition of recidivism and should have been used here. But the Florida DOC has been using a watered-down recidivism measure for its own facilities for years, so nothing has changed in this regard.
But what bothers me most about the current proposal is not Florida's already dismal track record in the area of prison privatization. What works best for prisoners is helping them in the community after they are released. But this RFP takes a hands-off attitude about prisoner re-entry services.
The RFP offloads responsibility for transitional services for inmates to subcontractors, while defining most re-entry services as "behind the walls" activities that detract from profits.
This compromises the significant progress Florida had been making on programs that work with offenders in their communities. Even though these programs are more cost-effective and have better results for prisoners, prior to this RFP, these funds were sent to local communities rather than given over to private corporations.
—Michael Hallett, PhD, is a professor and chair of the Department of Criminology and Criminal Justice at the University of North Florida in Jacksonville. Contact him by email at mhallett@unf.edu
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Dammit, I like that man!

However, talk is cheap. We here at PTO know as good as him....I am glad to see this stuff being put to print, though.

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this entire situation is one big mess and who do we have to thank for it.. a **** for a governor!... well, we all know the nick name for Rick..that is his name (I don't use words like that...)

I am just so fed up with his ego, he himself should be behind bars and is only not due to his money and luck... or he would be seeing the likes of possibly Coleman.. Federal Penn his crimes are higher than the State level.. yet he runs our State... only here in Flor-a-duh!
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TALLAHASSEE – Despite the resignation of Department of Corrections Secretary Ed Buss, Gov. Rick Scott's office said Thursday that the administration expects plans to privatize prisons in 18 South Florida counties to go full speed ahead.

However, several obstacles still stand in the way of the plan mandated by the Legislature earlier this year. The Florida Police Benevolent Association has sued to stop the process and Scott has even expressed concern that it might not save money, meaning the project would be axed.

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That articled stated it very well.. "thrown to the wolves".. that is what Buss was.. Scott thought he had a rubber stamper in him and he did not. so off with his head.. Scott belongs behind the bars of a prison.....
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So off with his head.

I almost peed my pants. But, it's so right on it's really not funny. Scott REALLY thinks he's the man....how does people come to live such lies?
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