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Due to a lawsuit, it had been decided that Arizona prisons can no longer segregate inmates based on race. This is supposed to be fully implemented by 2021 and is starting at Florence.

The upside of this is there will be incentives for inmates who comply, so I'm hoping it might mean new things like the mp3 players.

I recognize that this is going to cause a lot of stress for a lot of families but I'm trying to focus on the positive.

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this is great! ithink, living in the phoenix area its important i learn and know as much as i can with whats going on in our state system with friends from the street inside right now, this is a good thign to keep up on
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I think its good to integrate and encourage cooperation.How ever it will be hard to stop the inmates segregating themselves.Lets hope its a start at more understanding and less conflict.
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Expect issues in the beginning and then smoldering issues for many years afterwards...we went through this in Texas beginning in the late 80's. There are some who are deemed ineligible for in-cell integration and they have really clamped down on how someone gets the restriction, effectively requiring someone to have been a provable victim of a crime committed by another race.

Most units found it far easier to allow offenders to request particular persons with whom they felt comfortable celling with than to simply say 'you are living with him.'

Hopefully Arizona does the smart thing and enlists the aid of States that have been through this before...
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Is there a news release or paperwork on this? It's starting at Florence Complex?

The inmates will segregate themselves on 3 yards and higher. It's just the way it is. And if the state made the dumb decision to say "you're living with this guy" especially of a different race it would quickly prove fatal. I don't think most of the inmates want to be integrated. I know for sure my husband wouldn't want to be.

Furthermore, I don't think Florence or Eyman (in Florence) is the place to start. Maybe start on calmer yards and work from there. There is already tension across the state between races, why add to it?

***EDIT*** I found the link. I believe this will be deadly. Both to inmates and staff. The state should be very very careful about how they do this.
"The state has denied that its policies call for racial segregation, saying that dormitories, or about 85 percent of prison beds, are already racially integrated. The Department of Corrections says that rolling out sudden racial integration of two-man cells could be potentially deadly.

"The Department will work with diligence and good faith in a measured, methodical, and prudently cautious manner over the next 5˝ years as set forth in the Court's Order. Our primary concern will remain the safety of uniformed and non-uniformed staff, the public, and the inmates, and the safe, secure, and orderly operation of the state prison system," Department of Corrections spokesman Andrew Wilder said.

Jorgenson had questioned whether the large-scale changes to the way state prisons house inmates and assign them work are necessary after just one inmate filed a lawsuit. She said the changes would require a lot of resources.

Assistant Attorney General Paul Carter said making changes will avoid future lawsuits by other inmates.

Prison officials have argued that racially based housing assignments help keep peace among inmates, especially among those who are in race-based gangs.

But attorneys of Rudisill said that was an invalid argument."
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"The ADC must also "institute incentives for inmate compliance in units at the time of implementation," including offering MP3 players, games and added visitation and recreation privileges, according to the stipulations."

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I don't pretend to understand the internal politics of a prison yard or housing, but I have heard from several inmates that this will not work. I wonder if the judge who made the ruling based on one man's lawsuit actually researched how this is going to cause so much trouble not only with the inmates but also the DOC officers and guards who have to try and keep things under control?
The incentives are a really nice idea, but the problem seems much deeper rooted that that. Just my opinion and I am hoping I am wrong.
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I don't pretend to understand the internal politics of a prison yard or housing, but I have heard from several inmates that this will not work. I wonder if the judge who made the ruling based on one man's lawsuit actually researched how this is going to cause so much trouble not only with the inmates but also the DOC officers and guards who have to try and keep things under control?
The incentives are a really nice idea, but the problem seems much deeper rooted that that. Just my opinion and I am hoping I am wrong.
Absolutely concur that the issues are deep-rooted. I would not say it WON'T work, but it takes time...again, evidence Texas where we went through this many years ago.
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I will say that this will not work. AZ is so overcrowded that they do not have the max space or hole space to put the inmates that will not sign the agreement going around and there will be thousands that refuse to sign. There are only 111 vacancies on 5 yards state wide... They are ALL sex offender, PC, and medical/mh.This WILL be very deadly not only to inmates but to staff as well. ADC knows that, they did not want this and now the very lives of thousands of inmates as well as COs will be put on the line... For what? For one guy who didn't like the way it's always been. This is disastrous to any inmate or family of that lives by old school convict values and honor. And it's not even so much an issue that many of them refuse to house with another race... It's the fact that if they do higher ups will order the hit on them. The politics here aren't something to mess with like this. If they want to try this on 2 yards then fine... But starting on 3 and 4 yards... I pray to the Gods my husband makes it through the next 5 and a half years alive and without getting more time...even if he has to do that time on a max yard.
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What I want to know is what happens when they start doing this and people start getting killed... How is the state going to deal with the lawsuits from the families? Unless they are going to set an exemption for everyone who has a racial note in their file. If a white supremacist tells them to not but another race in his cell... And they do... And he kills him...the state is liable. How does that work?
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"old school convict values and honor"? That sounds like a crock of warmed over excrement to justify membership in prison gangs and to continue patterns of violence that suggest someone is not a viable candidate for release at ANY point in time.

Post-Lamar, we still had incidents but the separation on the yards was slowly lessened . We also did not have an upsurge in incidents in the cell blocks although disciplinary reports for fighting came with an extra page that had to be completed for the purposes of tracking and reporting to the Court.

Lawsuits from families won't get anywhere. Aside from the lack of standing except and unless there WAS a fatality, they are going to have to demonstrate negligence by the State. And that is if you can pierce the immunity in the first place...at which point the litigation still fails in most instances precisely because a State is not negligent when they are following the order of a Federal court, no matter how misguided that federal court might have been.

Oh, and identified gang members (which an actual 'white supremacist' should be) shouldn't be in general population in the first place. There is a reason MOST agencies place those individuals in Administrative Segregation/Security Detention/single-celled environment even in the face of people whining about the use of such housing...
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"old school convict values and honor"? That sounds like a crock of warmed over excrement to justify membership in prison gangs and to continue patterns of violence that suggest someone is not a viable candidate for release at ANY point in time.

Post-Lamar, we still had incidents but the separation on the yards was slowly lessened . We also did not have an upsurge in incidents in the cell blocks although disciplinary reports for fighting came with an extra page that had to be completed for the purposes of tracking and reporting to the Court.

Lawsuits from families won't get anywhere. Aside from the lack of standing except and unless there WAS a fatality, they are going to have to demonstrate negligence by the State. And that is if you can pierce the immunity in the first place...at which point the litigation still fails in most instances precisely because a State is not negligent when they are following the order of a Federal court, no matter how misguided that federal court might have been.

Oh, and identified gang members (which an actual 'white supremacist' should be) shouldn't be in general population in the first place. There is a reason MOST agencies place those individuals in Administrative Segregation/Security Detention/single-celled environment even in the face of people whining about the use of such housing...
In Arizona, not all identified gang members are locked down. They are out walking around GP 2 yards. This practice WILL cause problems.
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Lol I was raised by an old school convict. There's definitely a set of values that have nothing at all to do with being in a gang, which neither my father or my husband are. BTW... My husband has no violent crimes and my father was out of prison without incident for 19 years until his death.

AZ does not have all validated gang members locked down, many of them are walking 3 and 4 yards, of all races. Furthermore, there are tons who have been labeled white supremacist because of their faith who have never committed any crime against another race so your logic there is flawed.
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Lol I was raised by an old school convict. There's definitely a set of values that have nothing at all to do with being in a gang, which neither my father or my husband are. BTW... My husband has no violent crimes and my father was out of prison without incident for 19 years until his death.

AZ does not have all validated gang members locked down, many of them are walking 3 and 4 yards, of all races. Furthermore, there are tons who have been labeled white supremacist because of their faith who have never committed any crime against another race so your logic there is flawed.
It isn't flawed...there are PLENTY of people of ALL races who are capable of getting along with someone of another race if it avoids disciplinary sanction (which impacts release) or there is some other benefit that comes from doing so (even if just a better job).

I've been through this...working AT the unit level as the federal order was implemented. I was involved in classification decisions that were based upon the federal order. And, when I was at the regional and departmental level, I was also involved in other reviews of issues associated with the federal order. I dare say that I have the experience upon which to speak...especially as to how an agency can best implement the integration requirements in the beginning.

Oh, and ironically, prison violence is at a LOWER level post-Lamar than before...

If people don't like it, then they can add it to the list of reasons to quit committing offenses that carry with them the risk of incarceration. It isn't THAT difficult to avoid conviction for a felony...
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Honestly, I don't think it will be as catastrophic as you may think and you know these guys always find workarounds. And though I was surprised that they're starting at the higher custody yards, it makes the most sense since gang activity is greatly less at the lower levels. From what my husband is telling me, they're leaving out the part about incentives and only saying that there will be stricter disciplinary actions against those who fail to comply. Typical ADC style.
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The word has already been sent regarding this within the AZ GP yards. It WILL be catastrophic. Guaranteed. There WILL be fatalities when they push this, both inmate and staff.
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Yes I believe it will be catastrophic and people will be killed, but I believe it will happen so gradually that they will learn from their mistakes and the inmates will learn to live with it. The law gives the prisons plenty of leeway to figure out what works and what doesn't. It is at their discretion and their race is only one factor. At least that is what I read in this.



"Under the program, which the department has until 2021 to fully implement, inmates in Arizona will no longer be assigned cells or jobs based on race or national origin, unless integrating a particular inmate is determined to be a security risk.
"Any consideration of race in housing assignments shall be permitted only when narrowly tailored to address a compelling state interest, and even then may be evaluated only as one factor in connection with a comprehensive and objective assessment of any inmate's individual circumstances," according to the stipulations. "As a result, an inmate's race shall not be used as a primary determining factor for housing assignments."

I think it's good for them to learn tolerance before they get out. Locking them up doesn't teach them that.
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Yes, it's suppose to be done in 5 phases:

Phase Dates Units
I 1/1/16-1/1/17 ASPC-Tucson, Santa Rita Unit
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II 1/1/17-3/1/18 All minimum/medium custody female units
All minimum/medium protective custody units
All dormitory sex offender units
III 3/1/18-6/1/19 All minimum/medium custody general population units
IV 6/1/19-6/1/20 All maximum custody units
V 6/1/20-6/1/21 All close custody units
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The below named reporter is seeking to interview inmates with regard to their opinions about the newly ordered racial integration plan.

Gabby Abbott is a reporter with Cronkite News/Arizona PBS 8. She would like to hear all perspectives on the changes -- pro and con --and would like to hear from a variety of inmates of racial and ethnic diversity. She can grant anonymity in the published story if necessary, and would be able to conduct either in-person or telephonic interviews, as arranged by DOC. She needs a specific name and DOC #, however, in order to request an interview with any inmate.

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Anybody have any info on how this has been working out? I've heard they have started trying to implement it at a few complexes with little luck. Just curious if anybody knows anything about it.
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I haven't heard about it being implemented on anything but PC and SO yards with much luck. Word from Stiner is that nobody signs the agreement and nobody houses with another race or the inmates will handle it. Don't know though. I don't really have anyone I know on 2 yards and they haven't hit the 3+ yards yet to my knowledge.
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I haven't heard about it being implemented on anything but PC and SO yards with much luck. Word from Stiner is that nobody signs the agreement and nobody houses with another race or the inmates will handle it. Don't know though. I don't really have anyone I know on 2 yards and they haven't hit the 3+ yards yet to my knowledge.
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