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As a Trump supporter, I see and understand a lot of what Trump is doing. Of coure, I also studied him 15 years ago when I was in college. So I understand a lot of stuff that irritates normal people.

Yet, as a disabled American and an advocate for a couple of disabled friends, I am gravely concerned. You see, I also studied the Third Reich and the policies and inner workings. What I have been seeing for years now is the attitude of groups like Tea Party and even GOP towards the disabled community. To them the disabled, regardless of their employment status, are nothing but "worthless eaters". I had to deal with one last night. Possible landlord, asked how I was gonna pay for rent. I told her, then she asked where ALL of my income is coming from. She found out I have impairments, and something about that bugged her. Now disabled people/impaired people, are incapable of holding jobs.

And as an active GOP'er, I see that a lot as well in the GOP.

Some people cast the Nazi joke around, out of humor. Sadly, with groups like the Tea Party, Sovereign Citizens and the GOP, executing the disabled is not beneath them. THAT bothers me a lot.
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cornered: As a Trump supporter, I see and understand a lot of what Trump is doing. Of coure, I also studied him 15 years ago when I was in college. So I understand a lot of stuff that irritates normal people.

He's as transparent as cellophane. He explained his plans for America during his campaign. They got him elected.

Yet, as a disabled American and an advocate for a couple of disabled friends, I am gravely concerned. You see, I also studied the Third Reich and the policies and inner workings. What I have been seeing for years now is the attitude of groups like Tea Party and even GOP towards the disabled community. To them the disabled, regardless of their employment status, are nothing but "worthless eaters".


I've attended many small. intimate fund raisers for republicans (even though I'm a registered Independent) and TEA Party meetings. I never had a feeling that anyone wanted to implement any sort of pogrom or Final Solution for any identifiable group. I never heard anything from anyone that sounded like a program for terminating "Lives Not Worth Life". (Yes, I'm a student of history.)

I had to deal with one last night. Possible landlord, asked how I was gonna pay for rent. I told her, then she asked where ALL of my income is coming from. She found out I have impairments, and something about that bugged her. Now disabled people/impaired people, are incapable of holding jobs.

As any lawyer here will attest, you're a member of a federally recognized protected class. As such, you have protection under the Americans With Disabilities Act. No landlord or potential employer one can legally discriminate against you.

And as an active GOP'er, I see that a lot as well in the GOP.

I now a lot of GOP politicians. I never felt they had anything like that in mind.

Some people cast the Nazi joke around, out of humor. Sadly, with groups like the Tea Party, Sovereign Citizens and the GOP, executing the disabled is not beneath them. THAT bothers me a lot.

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cornered: As a Trump supporter, I see and understand a lot of what Trump is doing. Of coure, I also studied him 15 years ago when I was in college. So I understand a lot of stuff that irritates normal people.

He's as transparent as cellophane. He explained his plans for America during his campaign. They got him elected.

And he's walking back some of those plans. That's not debatable, it's happening. But it happens to every politician who makes the required laundry list of campaign promises so this one is sort of a wash, in my mind. I also think his level of transparency is heavily limited by his level of awareness of how politics work. He was voted in as a tennis player in a game of basketball already in progress. He's had to learn to adapt his usual approach and that's causing issues.

Yet, as a disabled American and an advocate for a couple of disabled friends, I am gravely concerned. You see, I also studied the Third Reich and the policies and inner workings. What I have been seeing for years now is the attitude of groups like Tea Party and even GOP towards the disabled community. To them the disabled, regardless of their employment status, are nothing but "worthless eaters".


I've attended many small. intimate fund raisers for republicans (even though I'm a registered Independent) and TEA Party meetings. I never had a feeling that anyone wanted to implement any sort of pogrom or Final Solution for any identifiable group. I never heard anything from anyone that sounded like a program for terminating "Lives Not Worth Life". (Yes, I'm a student of history.)

How do you address the very real and very aggressive (though failing) attempt to cut healthcare funding that principally impacts seniors and the disabled? You don't have to physically round us up and exterminate us, you can just make it difficult to impossible to thrive. A very clean way of making a point.
I'm in no way trying to convert Trump supporters to see my side of things. For the most part I think that's wasted breath. But I do appreciate those who are willing to hear both sides and be reasonable in their discourse. Quoting pop psychiatry and comparing apples to oranges is how we get way off track and lose sight of the potential to do things better. The quickest way to gain power is to divide people and create distraction. Let's not allow that to happen, by any party, policy or figure.
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I'm in no way trying to convert Trump supporters to see my side of things. For the most part I think that's wasted breath. But I do appreciate those who are willing to hear both sides and be reasonable in their discourse. Quoting pop psychiatry and comparing apples to oranges is how we get way off track and lose sight of the potential to do things better. The quickest way to gain power is to divide people and create distraction. Let's not allow that to happen, by any party, policy or figure.
Trump can and will do what the Constitution empowers him to do and congress and the supreme court enable him to do. His base is heavy on Christians, who historically haven't been interested in killing American citizens directly or by neglect. I'm not aware of any instances in which I've quoted pop psychiatry or compared apples to oranges. If I have, it was inadvertent. obama and his leftist party spent 8 years dividing and attempting to conquer. I don't think the right engages in much of that sort of thing.
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His base is heavy on Christians, who historically haven't been interested in killing American citizens directly or by neglect.
I'm Christian and even I know how misguided that statement is. History is your thing, you should, as well.

I agree that previous administrations have encouraged division. But on this level? I can't agree with that. Since I've been of voting age, I can't recall a candidate who has so blatantly listed the groups of people they intended to target as scapegoats for our failing infrastructure. Now, does that mean they didn't have intended targets? Heck no. Of course they did. Policy is built on division. "Put this law in place to keep those people from doing something that infringes on my right/sense of entitlement/ego". That's not new. Trump has excelled at stirring the pot on a global scale. He put a call out for every "oppressed" bigot on the planet to speak their mind. How you view that depends on your personal set of values.

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How do you address the very real and very aggressive (though failing) attempt to cut healthcare funding that principally impacts seniors and the disabled? You don't have to physically round us up and exterminate us, you can just make it difficult to impossible to thrive. A very clean way of making a point.
Reducing the level of increase in isn't the same as cutting healthcare funding. We're $20,000,000,000,000 in debt. If deficit spending isn't curbed, servicing the debt will eventually soak up every cent of tax dollars the government collects. Nobody will have anything if we keep going the way we have been. That seems like a disservice to everyone.
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Reducing the level of increase in isn't the same as cutting healthcare funding. We're $20,000,000,000,000 in debt. If deficit spending isn't curbed, servicing the debt will eventually soak up every cent of tax dollars the government collects. Nobody will have anything if we keep going the way we have been. That seems like a disservice to everyone.
But why healthcare? I know you're casting me into the socialist side of things with that statement, but I'll take the hit. I'm not concerned with what others label me.

We have the ability to shift funds during budgeting. I get that we need to tighten our belt, but I fail to see how allowing people to go become ill and suffer improves our bottom line? There's a cumulative and cascading effect to that that is MORE costly to taxpayers (and yet quite lucrative to those with the ability to invest). Ill parents, coupled with poverty, affects parenting ability, affects criminality, affects the perception of safety, and so on. You create a multi-generational failure when you allow that to happen.

Or, perhaps more effective-- stop the insurance racket we've got in this country by putting a boot on the necks of those gouging the system. But there again, you're cutting into someone pocketbook who isn't affected by whether the quality and availability of care changes. They're economically able to rise above. It would be very interesting to see our esteemed senators and congress members spend five years on Medicare and left to fend for themselves in the supplement market.

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Are you familiar with the left's playbook? It's called Rules for Radicals by Saul D. Alinski. If you aren't let me save you the trouble of reading it. Here's a link to more in formation about the book:

https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/09/10/the-lefts-playbook-satanist-saul-alinskys-13-rules-for-political-warfare/


Alinsky’s 13 Rules for the Left:

1. Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.
2. Never go outside the experience of your people.
3. Whenever possible, go outside of the experience of the enemy.
4. Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.
5. Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.
6. A good tactic is one that your people enjoy.
7. A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.
8. Keep the pressure on with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.
9. The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.
10. The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.
11. If you push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break through into its counterside.
12. The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.
13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

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I anyone's interested, the left is also attempting to use the Cloward–Piven Strategy to destroy the country by overloading government programs until they crumble, which they believe will open the country to socialism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clowar...Piven_strategy

If you'd like to read additional information about the Cloward–Piven Strategy, it's available (among many other places) at:

https://www.facebook.com/SeanHannity...54296976710389

Excerpts:

"The CLOWARD-PIVEN Strategy to overwhelm the system.. collapse it and build Socialism from the ashes ... ".
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"The strategy of forcing political change through ORCHESTRATED CRISIS. The “Cloward-Piven Strategy” seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of IMPOSSIBLE DEMANDS, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse. Cloward and Piven were inspired by radical organizer [and Hillary Clinton mentor] Saul Alinsky".
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Oh boy. I just popped my cork.

Socialism and communism and...insert political ideology. Did you know, Wilkes, that America is made up of a mixture of socialism AND communism? You have the social security program (socialist), public/county health, public schooling (socialist), law enforcement (facist), transportation (facist & communist), for example. America has taken the bits and pieces from here and there and this country and that country and adapted their ideas and concepts to fit America. America, with NONE of those "influences" would not be America that we have today. Honestly, America would no longer exist because the transition from... what were we originally? We were a republic, however, it wasn’t as much of a republic to begin with.

Were we a republic, originally? I don’t know. We started off with Dual Federalism in 1789, and it held well until 1861 when the Civil War came about. In the Civil War the primary dispute was the federal abuse of states’ rights, particularly in the South.

Yet what people miss is that the Civil War was important for far more than abolishing slavery (as they claimed), because after the Civil War the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified, and it provides three important parts that helped strengthen the US Constitution and the moral integrity of the United States. Such as the “Privileges and Immunities clause” which makes it clear that no state can deny any citizen the rights and liberties of being an American; the “Due Process clause” that limits a state’s abilities to deprive Americans of their rights; and finally the “Equal Protection clause” that says all people in America get equal protection.

When the government had reached out and taken away Dual Federalism, this is what began the destruction of what America is about. With New Federalism the states did get some of their power back, so to speak, if funding in block grants means much (thank you Richard Nixon!).

New Federalism is now an excuse for giving back to the states the taxes the federal government has effectively raped Americans for. Under the name of New Federalism, really few rights have been returned to the states. The federal government, once a powerful ally of the states, is now nothing more than an jack-booted thug that takes disregard for the interests protected by the Constitution.

However, the vitality of the American spirit is what keeps America together today. Not the New Federalism. Now, the government is no longer JUST the federal government, but the state as well. The attractiveness of New Federalism is because it looks as if it gives an emphasis on local and state governments. The is fed by the general feeling that the Federal Government has become too intrusive, abusive and with no one to watch over it.

This is not ideal for the American style of federalism. Americans appreciate having one person in power- the President of the United States. But they also want a smaller government. Actually, a larger government is needed for the true purpose of the Federal Government- to provide services for Americans that they cannot themselves provide. Namely national defense and, as time went on this was due to happen, national health. But with the added roles of the government you get added expectations.

And yes, even added taxes. But many people expect a smaller government, failing to see their concept of a smaller government is actually the opposite. They get a smaller federal government, but then they have a state to deal with. So now they have another government they want less of, and there we go- the county or parish government. ARGHHH! Will we EVER have enough government? Sadly, no. Because now we have town/city/municipal government. And now they want less of that. You’ve heard it before- TANSTAAFL. There Ain’t No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.

Sadly, to pay for the lunch everyone is getting, the governments, as a group, expect that some people surrender, or “loose”, their rights in order for the governments to have their “own space. I many instances this is where law enforcement is used to perform Civil Forfeitures and warrantless home invasions. Unfortunately in many instances Americans die. This not only violates the 4th Amendment (warrantless searches), but the 14th as well. Is this the only way the government can be expected to acquire funding? No, of course not.

But even with the added duties of the governments and the added responsibilities expected of Americans there is a very real possibility of making America a better place.

When involving Dual Federalism, it is like a Layered Cake (aka Layered Cake Federalism) because, like a layer cake, the individual states and the Federal Government have their own distinct areas of authority and responsibility, and the different levels rarely overlapped. With the 14th Amendment properly followed, this would return the moral and ethical integrity back to the United States.

Right now I do not see either the DNC or GOP acting in the best interests of the US as a whole. I do not see either doing anything to support New Federalism.
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cornered; ... Socialism and communism and...insert political ideology. Did you know, Wilkes, that America is made up of a mixture of socialism AND communism? You have the social security program (socialist), public/county health, public schooling (socialist), law enforcement (facist), transportation (facist & communist), for example. America has taken the bits and pieces from here and there and this country and that country and adapted their ideas and concepts to fit America. America, with NONE of those "influences" would not be America that we have today. Honestly, America would no longer exist because the transition from... what were we originally? We were a republic, however, it wasn’t as much of a republic to begin with.

I can't think of a thing to add to your posting. I'm reminded of a little vignette. A woman approached Ben Franklin as he was leaving the Constitutional Convention and asked, "Doctor Franklin, what sort of government have you given us?" He replied, "A republic, Madam, if you can keep it." One wonders whether we'll be able to
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Right now I do not see either the DNC or GOP acting in the best interests of the US as a whole. I do not see either doing anything to support New Federalism.


As Will Rogers observed, each party claims the other isn't fit to rule, then it gets elected and proves it.

When I was young I voted for the candidate I thought was better.
When I was more mature I voted against the candidate I thought was worse.
Now I vote the the candidate I hope will do the least damage.
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When I was young I voted for the candidate I thought was better.
When I was more mature I voted against the candidate I thought was worse.
Now I vote the the candidate I hope will do the least damage.
I think that's a sentiment we can all agree with, my friend.
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I think that's a sentiment we can all agree with, my friend.
I don't have a problem with our two party system. I have a huge problem with the two parties we're stuck with. I'm sick to death of demicans and republicrats alike. The real danger facing us is the creation of many smaller, special interest fueled parties. History cautions that Hitler only needed 27% of the popular vote to win election as Chancellor.
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This is a good point. Mexico is a prime example. Parties created in order to funnel funds out of "big government" and into their own pockets. It has eroded the voice of the people and diluted the power of good politicians.

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This is a good point. Mexico is a prime example. Parties created with in order to funnel funds out of "big government" and into their own pockets. It has eroded the voice of the people and diluted the power of good politicians.
"Good politicians" seems like as much of an oxymoron as "military intelligence" and "government worker".
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Well, yeah. We have reason to feel that way, but I can honestly say that there are valuable people in government. But again that's subjective. I come from a state that's had, in my opinion, a few lead-by-example politicians that I respect. Others may feel differently about the same people, though. Just depends on the end-goal.

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The other day I wore a red button. It says "I Believe in America". And the remarks by some people surprised me. A couple of threats, insults, and one man couldn't shut up about Trump being wrong.

The funny thing is, the button predates Trump's Make America Great Again campaign by a decade. And the biggest problem people I encountered are....
...Libertarians.

Crazy, huh?

I stand by it, though. The elections are over. Time to put the Party Politics aside and work together making America great for everyone.
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[quote=cornered;7649209]The other day I wore a red button. It says "I Believe in America". And the remarks by some people surprised me. A couple of threats, insults, and one man couldn't shut up about Trump being wrong.

The funny thing is, the button predates Trump's Make America Great Again campaign by a decade. And the biggest problem people I encountered are....
...Libertarians.

Crazy, huh?

I stand by it, though. The elections are over. Time to put the Party Politics aside and work together making America great for everyone.
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