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Wow. Just, wow...

"A new lawsuit against the Corrections Corporation of America, the largest private prison management company in the U.S., alleges that a female visitor was strip-searched and humiliated at a prison in Clifton, Tennessee. The woman says during her security screening she had to "prove" she was on her period by allowing a female guard to inspect her vagina."

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Who ever put that policy in place needs to be slapped.
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omg in TN? thats where i have to go
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That’s unconscionable and I hope the lawsuit costs CCA millions. That said, I also believe horrendous abuse like this is a good example of “the jail guard mentality”. They get to thinking they’re gods, that what they do is subject to no limitations and that they’re subject to no oversight. Sadly, they’re frequently right on the second and third points because they get away with so many nasty stunts they should never get away with. Hopefully, this lawsuit may get some of them put on a leash.
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This is appalling. I actually could understand having to use a pad that they provide because we all know that it could be used to bring in contraband. I wouldn't want them touching it to inspect it because that seems really unsanitary. To make her have a guard look...I just don't have words for that. Also, depending on how heavy your flow is you may not even be able to tell just by looking. Then what? How far will they be allowed to go. They know we are vulnerable because most of us will submit to embarrassing searches just to see our loved ones. The security screening should be as vigorous as a search at the airport. Anything more than that is an invasion of privacy, imo.
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You don't have to submit to any strip search as a visitor-at that point, you should walk out and contact a lawyer.
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You don't have to submit to any strip search as a visitor-at that point, you should walk out and contact a lawyer.
The article says she wasn't given that option and while most of us are strong people and wouldn't put up with something like that not everyone is. She probably felt she had to do it or she would get in trouble.
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I don't believe it was made clear she could refuse the search. I can honestly say, that what I think I would do from here (in the safety and comfort and empowering space of my home) is not always what I would do when confronted by folks in uniform who hold power over my LO. It's intimidating, it's humiliating and our thought processes are greatly affected by those conditions.

I agree with Chapel. You want me to use facility provided items? Ok. That's a concession I could make (I wonder if they provide diapers and incontinence care, as well...seems costly). I also think if we had body scanners, a la TSA, a lot of this nonsense of strip searching could end. No, it wouldn't prove she was on her period but if they're willing to let you swap out before you go in, that's beyond sufficient.
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To make it worse, after all my years being locked up I understand why the prisons take such harsh stances on this. Smuggling of all sorts of things hidden in all sorts of places is big, serious and sometimes deadly business.
By that token, all visitors should be subjected to cavity searches. Not just women experiencing their period. Would that be understandable?
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It made the national news today, so the private prison should receive the derision they deserve. All too often abuse by bullies in uniform is tolerated, ignored or sometimes even encouraged, and yes, it does occur.
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They can be; it's not unheard and I clearly remember a verizon of this involving a male visitor when I was in the female FMC. He declined and was banned.

I don't think they did an actual cavity search on this woman though and I'm not saying this was right or fair, but prisons usually have reasons for thinking this way.
You could understand why all visitors would be subjected to a cavity search? I'm sorry, but this mentality is really not ok with me. I'm not trying to start anything, but even the entertainment of this action as permissible is horrifying to me. Can you imagine what visitation would dwindle to if this were "acceptable based on risk potential". Can you imagine how facility conditions could deteriorate because of lack of outside contact.
And as far as it not being an actual cavity search, you're right...but I didn't say she had one. I said that under your reasoning it would be understandable to cavity search all visitors because of the potential for contraband.
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You could understand why all visitors would be subjected to a cavity search? I'm sorry, but this mentality is really not ok with me. I'm not trying to start anything, but even the entertainment of this action as permissible is horrifying to me. Can you imagine what visitation would dwindle to if this were "acceptable based on risk potential". Can you imagine how facility conditions could deteriorate because of lack of outside contact.
And as far as it not being an actual cavity search, you're right...but I didn't say she had one. I said that under your reasoning it would be understandable to cavity search all visitors because of the potential for contraband.
TOTALLY agree! Also, when I went to visit last weekend everyone in the visitation line was saying how it's the guards that are more likely to bring in contraband. How about we cavity search all of them before they report for their shift. I don't think that will go over very well.
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Re: Guards and contraband. I think we are underplaying the role visitors do have in bringing in contraband. It does happen, regardless of what the visitors in line are saying. I think it's probably pretty organized and more common than we want to think. However, this is extreme. A female guard could have accompanied her to the bathroom where shou could have produced evidence of the need for a tampon or pad without the guard having to even look at her body unclothed.
Stuff is coming in in baby diapers from what I've heard on this forum, so I wouldn't put it past someone to try putting it in a pad.
I agree also they could provide screened pads for us to swap out if need be.
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Re: Guards and contraband. I think we are underplaying the role visitors do have in bringing in contraband. It does happen, regardless of what the visitors in line are saying. I think it's probably pretty organized and more common than we want to think. However, this is extreme. A female guard could have accompanied her to the bathroom where shou could have produced evidence of the need for a tampon or pad without the guard having to even look at her body unclothed.
Stuff is coming in in baby diapers from what I've heard on this forum, so I wouldn't put it past someone to try putting it in a pad.
I agree also they could provide screened pads for us to swap out if need be.
I don't think we are underplaying the role that visitors have in bringing in contraband but I do think that guards bring as much, if not more, contraband than visitors do and think that they should be held to the same standard as visitors do.
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I let them do a strip search on me one time just to prove them wrong. Oh how I WISHED at that time that I was menstruating!!!
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Bringing in contraband or not, a person's menstrual status is irrelevant, no more than a male visitor who might happen to have diarrhea. What possible difference does it make? None, nada, zip zero. If she had a unapproved pad in her pocket, take it and be done with it. The absurdity of thinking a person lying about their period is somehow related to security just floors me.
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Interestingly enough, this is making the rounds on FB. Very unusual as US prison news usually do not interest most Europeans... But this seems to have struck a chord and it is being discussed all over FB.
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Can it be pointed out that according to the complaint she purposely left the pad exposed so it could be recognized? What kind of person with a pad full of *insert contraband here* would flag it out of their pocket?
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On the subject of visitors bringing in contraband... I only spent 6 years inside the fence and only in one state, so I certainly don’t know everything. That being said, my experience was that crooked prison employees (CO’s and "civilian employees" alike) bring in far, FAR more contraband than the visitors would ever dare dream of bringing in. My experience was that the liquor and the drugs came in almost entirely through the crooked employee pipeline. Those people don’t do it recreationally or occasionally---they do it as a business. They also know how to do it so they virtually never get caught, and they know how and when to do it so they don’t run afoul of searches. The ones that do it aren’t amateurs---they’re pro’s.
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I'm not, by any means, claiming to be an expert on the subject. I just happened to bring this up in a recent conversation with someone who spent a very long time, decades, in a level 4 state facility, and this person seemed to indicate that it is both staff and visitors who bring in contraband.
A woman who works at the hospital, well she used to, where I worked was busted last year for being part of a ring smuggling heroin into a NY state facility. And I don't think she acted alone, nor do I think it was her first time. She was MWI and married to the guy she brought it to. Two people OD'd because of the potency of what she smuggled in. She wasn't caught with it. It was just traced back to her man and to her. And she was a regular person with kids and a good job. It does happen.
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