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Old 02-14-2005, 02:28 PM
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Denise and Care,

I'm so sorry it did not suceed. I wish I could do more than give your a cyberhug!
So sad.
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Please tell Care that I send hugs.. I don't know Denise but give her some too... I cant even fathom the disappointment that they must be feeling... I am glad that you guys are there to support them through this.......
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I don't know what to say,I know my words can't take away the pain your both feeling right now!!But I'm sooooo very sorry,may God Bless Y'all and see y'all through this and anything that may get in your way of happiness.I love you all and again I'm sorry.
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Old 02-14-2005, 07:58 PM
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Care & Denise,I'm so sorry things didn't go well today.
You are in my prayers.Hugs to you both.
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Old 02-15-2005, 06:41 AM
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Oh my goodness, such terrible news for our sweet ladies. There is no reasoning with the AL parole board, they don't know what they are doing, for the most part they have terrible judgement and are not releasing the right people, simple as that. As I've said before, the biggest comfort I found when my honey was denied last year (after serving 2/3 of his sentence and not having one disciplinary or write up in is entire 12 years served) is that if he has to EOS, then so be it, we will be freed from this idiotic penal system forever and I have to find some kind of solace in that. Ladies please know that my thoughts are with you, and even though a terrible injustice has been served here your PTO family is here for you and will be until those guys walk out those doors!
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Old 02-15-2005, 03:04 PM
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Ragland, there is a site that tells us how they determine if our men/women should be given a chance...but it's pretty much general and generic. I sent a copy to my husband and it depressed him, knowing that they could just pull something out of the air about his background that they think would make him unlikely to succeed on parole. It's sad that they can change lives with not even a second thought.
Denise and Care, again, I'm so sorry!
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Old 02-15-2005, 09:02 PM
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Denice and Care, i'm so very sorry things turned out like this. my heart goes out to you both.
let me know if there is anything I can do to help.
my thoughts and prayers are with you.
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I know. I'm heartsick... and mad. Yeah, Alabama's REAL serious about solving their overcrowding issues, keeping men in that have done 25 or 30 years on a LP sentence like James (not sure how long it's been but it's roundabout that I think), and 15 years on a 20 year sentence like Brian. And not paroling someone like Kenny who's got less than a year to EOS.

The ADOC is taking all the heat for the overcrowding crisis - they need to be leaning on the Board of Pardons and Paroles, that's who should be taking all the blame and the heat for it. Things like this just prove the Board is responsible for the overcrowding crisis and everything bad that's come of it.
If you don't mind me asking what was the crime that these guys were accused of and are doing time for that he hasn't made parole after doing 15 years on a 20 year sentence??

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The 15 on a 20 is my boyfriend for murder, think I already went over that with you in another Alabama forum thread.
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Old 02-17-2005, 06:25 AM
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Mine has done 13 years on a 20 year sentence for manslaughter.. He was shot down for parole last May..
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Old 02-17-2005, 08:50 AM
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Mine has done almost 11 on a 20yr sentence for manslaughter. He was denied parole in 2001. The parole board said he hadn't done enough time. He is up for parole in Oct. 2006
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**sigh** I have just finished reading this thread, finally brave enough to come onto the forum and read. This has been a very very difficult week for us and we are still reeling and in shock over what happened. It still feels surreal to me and I find myself mentally going to the calendar to count off how many more days it is until the hearing...

I have cried much this past week and with the tears has come healing of sorts. Some people have asked me if I was going to stay with him. I find this astounding, that somebody would assume that just because he didn't make parole that I would kick him to the curb? I've hung on for the past 27 years hoping he would someday join me out here and I'm not about to give up now for crying out loud. That would be very similar to cutting off all of my limbs. Sure I could live, but my quality of life would be greatly compromised.

Every message here has helped to bring healing to not just my heart but to James as well. For when I am doing well, he doesn't have to worry about me. Lynn tells me that Brian reports that James is more worried about me; I am more worried about him. I guess that is how love works. Anyhow, we are devastated, of course we are. But nothing or nobody can destroy what we have together and now we just have to figure out how to thrive through this instead of just survive.

I sent the following email to those in my address book who had wanted to know when we got the results. I cut and paste it here:

James and I want to thank each of you who have been so supportive regarding the parole hearing but I am very sad to report to you that he was denied. Although he has not been protested before that we are aware of, we suspect a new advocacy group is behind the fact that there were a dozen or more people there to beg the board to keep him in prison. VOCAL has been growing in numbers and they are viciously active.....But their name does not fit this time: Victims Of Crime Against Leniency........would paroling a man who has been in prison since age 18 and now after 27 years be LENIENT???? So much of this was bogus. It's difficult to grasp it all. The one family member who did speak was only 3 when it happened and not personally involved but the mere fact that her "testimony" that she fears for her life if "this monster is allowed out on the street" was powerfully presented; well acted-out, every word and tear well orchestrated. It was a slam dunk and the Board was deaf to my presentation as well as the impressive accomplishments he has made while he's been in prison. It was one week ago today but I am still in shock and deep pain, trying to process this and accept what was done. I know I could accept it easier if the protesting had been certifiable and they had reasons to say the mean things they said about James, and the degrading way they spoke of me. I still hear every word and see every glare that was present in that room. It was devastating and in many ways, James and I are still in shock. They put him off for another hearing until February 2010. Five years. THAT feels like a punch in the stomach. If a man has not been rehabilitated in 27 years of good prison time, how will five more years of "rehabilitation" mean much more to the Board?

But my wonderful and amazing husband comforts me and tells me "Idabe alright" (teasing about his southern accent) and assures me that somehow justice will be served and this is merely a bump in the road and for us not to lose hope nor take it at face value; that there is something deeper going on that we don't know about. And that it will have a much more positive outcome than it looks like right now. Once again he shows me the attributes of integrity and optimism that never fails to amaze me, even after all these years. Prison may have had his body but it certainly has never gotten his spirit.

I trust him. I believe in him. I believe in US. And I am more in love with him than I have ever been before.

Heartbroken but As James says, ITABE ALRIGHT.
Somehow. Someway.
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Old 03-03-2005, 03:33 PM
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thatagirl....you hang in here care...its you that amazes me...you and James are remarkable...i admire you both...

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Old 03-03-2005, 03:44 PM
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Oh Care... I wish they would have let him out.. HUGS and I am saying in my southern accent too... (bet you didn't know I even had one, huh??) "Ittabe awright"

My thoughts are with you and James...
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Old 03-03-2005, 05:35 PM
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Denise, I remember a while back you asked me about the praying picture of you and me. And I have to tell you the truth, I was so upset about the outcome that I deleted the sucker from my camera. I regret that I did it, it was such a cute picture but it just felt too hard to look at it and remember the optimism of that morning that we spent those hours together (so we could be first!) I continue to replay the whole hearing in my head; I can't stop myself; it's like a cancer. And I beat myself up wondering what I could have done or said differently that would have changed the outcome. I know in my heart that it had nothing to do with what I said. I mean, hell, if they couldn't see the impressive records in his file about his behavior the time he has been in there, then nothing I was gonna say or do would have made any difference. Not even ta ta's could have changed their minds I'm afraid. Though I would have if I thought it could have. **sigh**

How are you doing anyhow? I bet you are counting down the days til he is done with that monkeybusiness. How nice it will be to be DONE with them and not having to report or be under their thumbs and eagle eyes. I know the hearing was a disappointment for you guys but I know these months will be over before you know it. If it was me who was waiting for James to get home, I wouldn't be on this computer right now ~~ I'd have to start cleaning my house. Homemaker I am. Housekeeper I am not. I guess the silver lining in all of this for me is that I don't have to clean house for at least five years now. And then maybe he won't be granted one then either so who knows, I may never have to clean again. However, all kidding aside (so who was kidding??!?!) I would scrub the floors with a toothbrush if it meant he was coming home to me.

Each day, I expect it to get better but somehow it doesn't. At least not yet. (Whine whine, sorry) But I have faith that it will eventually stop hurting so much. I still have not sat down with my kids and explained what happened. I mean, they know he is was denied but they don't know what happened and I know they want to know. I have asked each of them if they want information and they assure me they do. So I'm waiting for the right time to try to explain it to them. Or at least as much as I CAN explain; it's so ludicrious and bogus.

Oh yeah, they sent him a form letter telling him yadda yadda yadda and so on and so forth. All stupid stuff. So to relieve stress, I compiled my own form letter to THEM. Here is what I would LIKE to send but of course I won't. I PM'd it to Lynn and she had a good laugh from it so I figure maybe it might bring a smile or two to somebody else.......


Dear (pick one) a. Alabama Parole Board
b. City Dog Pound
c. Municipal Hospital

We are in receipt of your recent letter and want to (pick one)
a. thank you.
b.throw up.
c.tell you how stupid and ignorant you are.

We were impressed by your (pick two)
a. prompt attention
b. insensitivity and ignorance
c. asinine statements and views

If you would but open your eyes and read (assuming you know how) my husband’s file, you would have seen that he has done far above and beyond what you (pick four)
a. required
b. expected
c. recognized
d. honored

We realize the way in which you handled this hearing was (pick four)
a. unfair
b. prejudiced
c. backward
d. ignorant

However, we will not allow this to (pick all that begin with ‘d’)
a. destroy us
b. discourage us
c. defeat us
d. depress us

And we refuse to let you contaminate the commitment that we have made to one another because it is (pick five)
a. unyielding
b. honest
c. secure
d. unconditional
e. untouchable

Very sincerely not yours,
(signed)


Like I said, I would LIKE to send it, but of course I won't.
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Old 03-04-2005, 08:20 AM
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LOL..you're a nut..love the letter. To be honest Care, I am counting the days more so than i have ever in the past. Kenny and I was talking the other day about you guys and i was telling him how proud i am to know you and how i find strenght in your words and he ask me IF he was in James shoes would i be able to DEAL with things and stay with him, without even thinking i told him yes i would. Like you I know that there is nothing the DOC, APB or anyone else can do that would stop me from loving that man with all my heart.

Many people wonder how we do it, but Care how would we not do it? I believe that one day James will be home with you, call it faith, call it crazy, but I know God has a reason for everthing that happens. I have yet to figure out his reasons for allowing alabama to contiue with there mess!!! but i have faith in him.

I did send a letter to the parole board, Troy King, Governor Riley and the Sentencing Committee. As you know i'm sure that not one of the give a rats a** but i sent it anyways. I haven't gotten any respones from the letters, but the parole board answered a short email i sent them that only said that they wouldn't tell me WHY the denied him, Troy King answered an email and told me that the att. generals office didn't get involved cases when an inmate was denied...nothing from Mr. Riley...

I could ramble on and on about how much you inspired me but you already know that. God puts people in our lives for a reason and i'm very thankful that he choose you to be in mine....bless you Care

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Both of you ladies amaze me! There is so much strength and hope in you. To be honest, I don't know what I would do if I were in your shoes! Michael is up for a hearing on April 18 and I am so scared! I will be going to the hearing and I keep trying to think of everything that I want to say to them. I don't know what I will do if he gets denied! I guess I will be in the same boat again with others here. Anyway, I just wanted to say that I really admire the strength and courage you both have. God bless you and your loved ones!
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Old 03-04-2005, 09:12 AM
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Care and Denise - both of you amaze me! My feelings about the Alabama DOC and their BS are not a secret. However, the two of you are simply wonderful people that I admire and respect.

Thanks to the both of you - for being you!
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Let me say this..You two ladies are the most amazing women I have had the privelege to know. Your strength is beyond belief and both of you have always given me the knowledge and the will to continue down this path that we all have been given, choosen by the state of Alabama, not by our choice. When my daughter was turned down last summer, I blamed myself for not being there at her hearing, feeling that i could have made a difference. Of course I found out in time her leaving her job (abscounding) while on WR was her downfall and nothing anyone could have done would change their minds.
It is ashame that we have to be put thru this wringer of pain that about crushes our hearts and our mentally. But with strength in numbers from our loved ones here on PTO we continue on the fight, never giving up and loving our men and children that much more.
I wish each and everyone who has a parole date upcoming over the next few months will fair better than some of us. I want all your dreams to come true so that you may live in happiness for the rest of your lives...far far away from all the torrment and pain we have had to live with.

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Whew.

Thank you so much for your kind words. I sure don't feel like I deserve the admiration though. Like Denise said, what else COULD we do but hang in there and keep moving forward? It's not like there is a choice, for by doing anything else would be unthinkable, in fact, I can't even fathom it. I do wonder sometimes what it would FEEL like to have this man who I have loved for 27+ years NOT in prison and I don't even know if I can imagine what it would be like ~ but I was sure willing to learn. Maybe someday we'll have that chance. We might be so old that I'll have to pick him up in my wheelchair and our celebratory dinner will be mashed potatoes or jars of pureed baby food because we don't have any teeth left but by golly, I'm determined that it will happen one way or the other. (I hope I am right.) Last time we visited there was a couple sitting at a table near us that were in their 70's I'd say. It broke my heart but I said to James "Well, that might be us some day." But I'd still rather be visiting him at age 70 IN prison than not have him in my life at all.

Denise, your words humble me. I wish I had hugged you more when we were together because now I feel like I didn't get enough to tide me over until we see one another again. **sigh**

Good news, I only cried once today. And it wasn't one of those wailing ones, so its getting better.

Somehow, it's gonna turn out that this was a good thing, that he got denied at this time. I have to believe that or it will eat at me like a cancer. It's a choice I have to make and one I have to constantly remind myself about. It will certainly make his release all the more sweet when it does happen.

And by the way.......NEXT TIME I'm going to be recruiting people off the street if necessary, to fill up OUR side of that room. I'll be posting a sign-up sheet so be ready!!

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I printed off many of the comments and words of comfort and encouragement that many of you shared....and sent it to James. In his letter today, he said he cried while reading them so I just wanted to thank you again because your words helped to heal both of us and get us through this really hard time.

GS ~ okay, I got you at the top of the list!! And don't think I will forget either!!!!

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i'm glad you sent them to him, I often send Kenny stuff too..not much, you know he's not really fond of PTO, i can't get him to understand how important you guys are to me. He thinks we're just a bunch of women gossiping about our men or something? LOL. He's told me time after time that theres somethings about prison that i don't need to know, and i'm sure he's right...there somethings I don't want to know...

darn i get off subject alot lately...i better be on that list tooo.....
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