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Old 05-25-2018, 07:41 PM
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Default Attica keeplock: outdate changed; package not delivered to him yet

My son is currently in Attica, and is in Keep lock..he wss yold at his hearing that,he was to be keep locked yil the 15th of May. As time drew near, he was told that there was a mistske made, now,can come off on May 31... is this common,,,? Can this be done?
Also, he only lost phone privleges,due to keep lock, but vould receive pkg s, i sent one to him on May 4,received by Attica,on May 7, i tracked it, and was confirmed by a counselor. Today is May 25, he has yet been bought fown to claim it............
Lastly, he had some medical appointments, which he wss not escorted to.......
Is this foul play? Can someone advise?
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Old 05-25-2018, 08:58 PM
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You spoke to a counselor personally to confirm a package was rec’d, or he told you this?
It would be highly unlikely that any keeplock time would not have loss of phone, loss of commissary, loss of package. If you tracked the package as signed, yes that means it was picked up from the post office and delivered to the jail. You should look for it to be returned to you because he probably has loss of pkgs.
For dr visits, was this sick call? If he was sick, did he notify anyone but you?
A lot of what you say is business as usual in jail, the perspective if from whoever is telling the story?Is he calling you, or are his friends? Sometime when families are unaware of the jail culture inside, everything seems malicious. Sounds like he got a ticket or 2, and is not happy. And he is your child, and that hurts.
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Old 05-26-2018, 10:34 AM
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Thank you for responding.....i called Attica,myself and spoke to a counselor, which she verified pkg was recvd, bug would not tell me if he recvd it. She said bcuz different days for claimjng pkgs. But come on. Since Msy7,? ....
My son sees the Psych,for meds. Snd he said thry dont tske him He has Hep C, and wanted to begin trestment,but took the bloodwork 3 months ago,snd has yet to receive his results. He was sent out to see a hand surgeon. Who prescribed him to be fitted for a wrist brace, thry have not tsken him. I
I have not spoken to my son since April 4, due to loss of phone priveleges spoke to Clergy,znd was vetified,no phone priveleges........
And to hsve his Keep lock dates changed 2 times,is that legsl? Yes, he has received 2 tier3 tkts back to back.
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Old 05-26-2018, 02:42 PM
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Yes, unfortunately, if you get tickets you get more disciplinary time. Perhaps you can call the package room at the facility. All packages are logged. If he has loss of privileges it will be returned to you. Yes, the staff member picking up mail from post office signs all the “green” receipt cards, but that only tracks it to facility. And it may be on its way back to you now.
As for his medical, he can write to the grievance coordinator. If your son is keep lock he doesn’t lose his right to grieve over medical care. But, this is something he needs to address. There are mechanisms and procedures in prison that sometimes get lost in translation.
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Old 05-26-2018, 04:36 PM
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Thank you again. I asked for pkg room,and wss told to speak with the counselor. This person was not his counselor.... as far as i know ,my son has submitted several grievances, one for medical,snd i guess, that he was given one day,his Keep lock was done, onky to be yold dates were wrong so its extended.
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Old 05-26-2018, 05:58 PM
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Yes, if he got 2 tickets then there was no mistake in his disciplinary sanctions,he just got more time added.
How long has he been in Mom?
Sounds like he's learning the system still. It takes patience on both your parts.
He sounds very frustrated with the clock and is unloading on you.?
He has to learn the system.
Is he not getting meds, or is he getting DIFFERENT meds from the outside?
How is he telling you all this, from a letter he wrote in a frustrated state because he got 2tickets?
Breathe. He will learn this, and the hardest part is you cannot change things. You have no say, they won't share medical information, and he is a grown man.
As hard as it sounds, you can't change things for him.
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Hello. This is my sons 1st time in prison. While at Downstate( reception) he got a ticket on charges of assaulting an officer. He was placed in a chokehold, and tugged ,slapped officer, arm,to break free. He was placed in the SHU for 90 days. With couple days remainingthey transferred , him to Attica. Been there since end of Dec.
He got a tkt, for his razor gone missing on s cell search. Got 30 days keep lock. First day out in yard, i dont know what happened but he said he was placed up on the wall and frisked. Did cell search, ........keep lock 30 days, but now i guess they decided 45 days?
I havent a clue,whats going on. He was dischgd from ASAT. ......they tried putting him in GED classes,but has a valid HS diploma.
I dont know exactly what psych meds hes on outside of Wellbutrin and lexapro.
Yes, he wrote me to tell me all of this. He did hsve an inmate call originally he was getting keep locked til May15. And to send hjm a pkg, and money.
I truly am naive, not up on prison, judicial system,etc.
Do you think its drugs? ......he is on a 1-3 year bid, has served 18 months,so far. He wants me to write Superintendent, counselor,substance abuse counselor, to ask his class be reinstated, and to write time allwance committee. To stand by his Condtional relesse dste Nov 2018. Some told me he has to complete his classes,somr say not neccessary,he walks regardless... do uou know,?
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Old 05-26-2018, 08:04 PM
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So basically he's serving his time in your shoulders....and making everything your responsibility.
Here's the thing that make me suspect he is doing a bit of creative storytelling, and mind you, this only me, 25 yrs in nys.
He's been in long enough to know how discipline works. Losing privileges is a clear consequence. No commissary except for stamps &writing material. Why ask for money from you if he can't go for 45 days? Unless he's sending it out to someone else.
Why ask Mom for a package of you know you can't have it?I
My next question is does he have drug or gambling issues?

I have taken calls from several mothers recently, they were concerned that their sons hadn't called them in a while. After checking for any disciplinary reasons why they hadn't called, I had to say "Mom, do you send money on the regular?" A d of course the do! !! They would send whatever they could go make their child happy. I then asked if they got any thank you phone calls.......no they haven't.

I then told them that if they want to be sure of a thank you phone call, you gotta stop the money train until you get a thank you. Inside the guys forget they are not alone in this bid. It becomes all about them. They take for granted the support the family gives. They take advantage of your ignorance, your !ove, your concern.
Eventually they may become a man, and handle his business, own his actions, and humble himself with gratitude for family.
The wrong thing for a man to do is to get his momma involved in a convoluted story, and have her make calls or get involved. His story is Swiss cheese.
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You have really have given me some great insight. My son definitely,knows how to tug at my heartstrings, and i fall hook,line and sinker,all the time.
But what stumps me,is that he wanted a pkg,and told me he did not lose pkg priveleges, they would return it to me,right? Or they keep it for the CO's? He will thank me, however, dont know if it just words ,on his part, bcuz,if i dont follow suit, he tells me he has a family, but w no support. Hes sldo threatened yo Max out, if hes made yo endure Hard Time Bid, ........
Now that, hurts me terribly,but, on the other hand,i wrote snd told him, prison cant be all that bad,if he can endure staying there for another year.
Would you be able to tell me, if he wont be able yo CR,if he doesnt complete his classes? Thsnk you,so much, for the info.
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Sorry, my son has been battling drug addiction for sbout 13 years. doc heroin ,and really sny pills he can get.
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You have really have given me some great insight. My son definitely,knows how to tug at my heartstrings, and i fall hook,line and sinker,all the time.
But what stumps me,is that he wanted a pkg,and told me he did not lose pkg priveleges, they would return it to me,right? Or they keep it for the CO's? He will thank me, however, dont know if it just words ,on his part, bcuz,if i dont follow suit, he tells me he has a family, but w no support. Hes sldo threatened yo Max out, if hes made yo endure Hard Time Bid, ........
Now that, hurts me terribly,but, on the other hand,i wrote snd told him, prison cant be all that bad,if he can endure staying there for another year.
Would you be able to tell me, if he wont be able yo CR,if he doesnt complete his classes? Thsnk you,so much, for the info.
Packages get returned. It seems to take about 2 weeks for us. I have purchased the wrong belt or something. If I cannot pick it up on visit, they sent it to who he designates.

Once I sent from a vendor and they did not out his DIN on the pacakage. They sent it straight back to them. We didn't know what happened to it for a few weeks.

If he doesn't start complying with the rules, he could lose his CR date. Let him figure it out and grow up a bit. It is the best way to love him. He needs to know he can't manipulate you or the system. He will have to start changing the way he thinks and goes about doing things.

As a mom, I feel your pain and your guilt. He has made choices and you cannot go back and change them. He can learn from them and he may need to do it the hard way. He needs to see what he is doing isn't working.

Once this bit of trouble is over, going to programs, ged classes, working are the way he proves he is trying to make changes. He is attempting to better himself. Not solely for the CR date, but to be a better, healthier man.

You want him to be successful when he comes home and truthfully it starts now. Not later.
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If you do not receive it within 2 weeks, he needs to file a grievance for a missing package. Do you have the receipt or proof that it was sent? You can mail him a copy of it at proof.

In the future, keep all receipts and such. Yes, packages are given to the wrong person and stuff happens. It is not as frequent though. We have only heard that happening once in the last eight months.

Also, when he gets something he cannot have he can have you get it on or someone else in a visit (within 2 weeks), mailed back at his expense, or donate it. They sign a paper, saying it is what they want.

On a visit, the person retrieving it signs a paper.

If you are unsure, ask questions here.

Yes, every facility has different rules to some extent. I can only speak from my experience, but some rules are the rules.
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Old 05-27-2018, 04:33 PM
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If he has lost any good time in his disciplinary sanctions he could lose his CR date. He will go to the Time Allowance Committee 2 months prior to his CR, at that time he could loose that date, but good programming is taken into considerationn.
IMHO he is using all the emotional blackmail tactics. Be strong. As you know, addiction has no conscience, no boundaries, and no heart.
You do not have the power to change him, only yourself.
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