Welcome to the Prison Talk Online Community! Take a Minute and Sign Up Today!






Go Back   Prison Talk > U.S. REGIONAL FORUMS > CALIFORNIA > California General Prison Talk
Register Entertainment FAQ Calendar Mark Forums Read

California General Prison Talk Topics & Discussions relating to Prison & the Criminal Justice System in California that do not fit into any other California subforum.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 06-08-2018, 12:20 AM
AdalineNChris's Avatar
AdalineNChris AdalineNChris is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: CA
Posts: 98
Thanks: 27
Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts
Default Can I become a police officer with an incarcerated husband?

'Hi I'm Married To A Inmate Who Is Currently Doing Time At Avenal , I'm Going To College Study For Basic Peace Training To Become A Poilce Officer "My Husband Told Me His Homies Told He I Can't Become A Poilce Officer Dude To Him , I Don't Know If That Is True Or Not ? Can Anyone Give Me Information Please .
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #2  
Old 06-09-2018, 07:08 AM
sidewalker sidewalker is online now
CA, LASO, site sug. SUPER MOD

PTO Super Moderator Staff Superstar Winner 

Donation Award 
 

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: ca usa
Posts: 30,687
Thanks: 53,867
Thanked 28,554 Times in 14,389 Posts
Default

I think that if you did become a police officer the hiring agency would have to be informed that your spouse is a felon.
I dont know this for sure but its my guess.
__________________
My windows aren't dirty

That's my dog's nose art

Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to sidewalker For This Useful Post:
AdalineNChris (06-09-2018), Sunnielg (06-10-2018)
  #3  
Old 06-09-2018, 12:10 PM
AdalineNChris's Avatar
AdalineNChris AdalineNChris is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: CA
Posts: 98
Thanks: 27
Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sidewalker View Post
I think that if you did become a police officer the hiring agency would have to be informed that your spouse is a felon.
I dont know this for sure but its my guess.
'Thank You ! .
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06-09-2018, 07:32 AM
AndyS's Avatar
AndyS AndyS is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Texas US
Posts: 1,371
Thanks: 1,744
Thanked 2,756 Times in 957 Posts
Default

There might be issues because you have to carry a gun as a police officer. You may be able to become a police officer but getting hired might be a different story. I guess it would depend on if you are doing this while he’s still in prison or when he’s released and what his crime was. Just doing a quick search on google shows you may have trouble passing the background check.
__________________
A lion doesn't concern himself with the opinions of a sheep.

“Absorb what is useful, Discard what is not, Add what is uniquely your own”
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to AndyS For This Useful Post:
AdalineNChris (06-09-2018)
  #5  
Old 06-09-2018, 11:35 AM
AdalineNChris's Avatar
AdalineNChris AdalineNChris is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: CA
Posts: 98
Thanks: 27
Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyS View Post
There might be issues because you have to carry a gun as a police officer. You may be able to become a police officer but getting hired might be a different story. I guess it would depend on if you are doing this while he’s still in prison or when he’s released and what his crime was. Just doing a quick search on google shows you may have trouble passing the background check.
I Did Search Up Mostly Everything It Just Says You Can Date/Be Married Felon And You Can Become A Police Officer But IDK I Think I'mma Just Talk To My Teacher
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-09-2018, 03:24 PM
Marseille's Avatar
Marseille Marseille is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: South Dakota, USA
Posts: 1,754
Thanks: 656
Thanked 3,430 Times in 1,086 Posts
Default

I would imagine future employers would be interested in what he was incarcerated for.
__________________
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Marseille For This Useful Post:
AdalineNChris (06-10-2018)
  #7  
Old 06-10-2018, 12:59 PM
AdalineNChris's Avatar
AdalineNChris AdalineNChris is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: CA
Posts: 98
Thanks: 27
Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marseille View Post
I would imagine future employers would be interested in what he was incarcerated for.
'Yes I Know They Would Want His Information And What He Got Charged For , It's A Violent Crime .
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-09-2018, 04:33 PM
CenTexLyn CenTexLyn is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: TX-US
Posts: 14,888
Thanks: 648
Thanked 11,058 Times in 5,991 Posts
Default

Generally speaking, getting certified as a peace officer will not be the problem. Some agencies WILL have an issue. Some agencies will have a bigger problem with the capitalization of every single word in a document...

Another consideration, post-release, is that some agencies will object to paroling an offender to a residence where a firearm is present. A peace officer is rarely coming home and putting their service weapon into a gun safe, so there is little argument that can be offered that the weapon would be out of reach of the releasee.

There are plenty of people around the country that work for law enforcement or correctional agencies and have spouses or other family members who are incarcerated. Even some parole officers have spouses that are incarcerated. The common denominator is that they ALL have disclosed the relationship and gone through some manner of further investigation as to the circumstance.
Reply With Quote
The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to CenTexLyn For This Useful Post:
Fridyrr.Likn (06-12-2018), maytayah (06-09-2018), Ms Sunny (06-09-2018), nimuay (06-09-2018), Sarianna (06-10-2018), sass4221 (06-10-2018), sidewalker (06-10-2018), yourself (06-10-2018)
  #9  
Old 06-10-2018, 12:58 PM
AdalineNChris's Avatar
AdalineNChris AdalineNChris is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: CA
Posts: 98
Thanks: 27
Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CenTexLyn View Post
Generally speaking, getting certified as a peace officer will not be the problem. Some agencies WILL have an issue. Some agencies will have a bigger problem with the capitalization of every single word in a document...

Another consideration, post-release, is that some agencies will object to paroling an offender to a residence where a firearm is present. A peace officer is rarely coming home and putting their service weapon into a gun safe, so there is little argument that can be offered that the weapon would be out of reach of the releasee.

There are plenty of people around the country that work for law enforcement or correctional agencies and have spouses or other family members who are incarcerated. Even some parole officers have spouses that are incarcerated. The common denominator is that they ALL have disclosed the relationship and gone through some manner of further investigation as to the circumstance.
Yes This Is One Of My Main Concerns ! I Know My Husband Can't Be Around/Allowed To Have A Gun In Our Home , But I Heard You Can Leave Your Firearm In Your Locker Or At Work I'm Not Sure If That Is True .
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 06-10-2018, 07:54 PM
nimuay's Avatar
nimuay nimuay is offline
Super Moderator

PTO Super Moderator Pumpkin Hunt Participant 2014 Easter Egg Hunt 2013 - Participant 

Donation Award 
 

Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: new york
Posts: 24,642
Thanks: 7,134
Thanked 30,575 Times in 11,013 Posts
Default

So, Adeline, the best thing to do is to talk to the agency and make sure what their exact requirements are. Horse's mouth stuff (next to CenTexLyn, , it's the best info).

And I need to ask one question - are you working from a phone with your CAPSLOCK on? That's the only way I know of to get that initial capitalization in this format.
__________________
You'll know you've created God in your own image when He hates all the people you do.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to nimuay For This Useful Post:
AdalineNChris (06-11-2018), Sarianna (06-14-2018)
  #11  
Old 06-10-2018, 08:00 PM
Marseille's Avatar
Marseille Marseille is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: South Dakota, USA
Posts: 1,754
Thanks: 656
Thanked 3,430 Times in 1,086 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nimuay View Post
I need to ask one question - are you working from a phone with your CAPSLOCK on? That's the only way I know of to get that initial capitalization in this format.
My 15 year old daughter does this. I’m 99.9% sure it’s deliberate.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 06-10-2018, 11:09 PM
Osugirl Osugirl is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Ohio USA
Posts: 165
Thanks: 272
Thanked 116 Times in 67 Posts
Default

Yes you can be one a police officer while having a husband in prison.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 06-11-2018, 08:49 PM
AdalineNChris's Avatar
AdalineNChris AdalineNChris is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: CA
Posts: 98
Thanks: 27
Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Osugirl View Post
Yes you can be one a police officer while having a husband in prison.
'Thank You For You Info ! .
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 06-12-2018, 06:40 PM
Dakini's Avatar
Dakini Dakini is offline
TheBee'sKnees
Donation Award 
 

Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: United States of America
Posts: 1,694
Thanks: 1,255
Thanked 3,716 Times in 1,115 Posts
Default

I have relatives who are police officers. You will have to take a polygraph during which they will ask you about anyone you know who is or has been involved in any illegal activity. Unless he has become completely rehabilitated and you believe he has no likelihood of going back to whatever got him to prison (I’m going to guess it was not his first rodeo that landed him there) then what I would be concerned with is staying a police officer once he is released.
__________________
Buy the ticket, take the ride. ~ Hunter S. Thompson
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 06-12-2018, 08:03 PM
AdalineNChris's Avatar
AdalineNChris AdalineNChris is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: CA
Posts: 98
Thanks: 27
Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts
Thumbs down

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dakini View Post
I have relatives who are police officers. You will have to take a polygraph during which they will ask you about anyone you know who is or has been involved in any illegal activity. Unless he has become completely rehabilitated and you believe he has no likelihood of going back to whatever got him to prison (I’m going to guess it was not his first rodeo that landed him there) then what I would be concerned with is staying a police officer once he is released.
No His First Time Ever In Prison/Jail , My Husband Doesn't Have A Background Till Now , , No I Know He Won't Be Going Back The Old Way He Haves Changes A Lot Plus We Have A Son Together Who Is One He Wants To Be A Father/In His Life .
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to AdalineNChris For This Useful Post:
Dakini (06-12-2018)
  #16  
Old 06-13-2018, 10:04 AM
xolady xolady is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: May 2014
Location: highlands, florida
Posts: 5,738
Thanks: 12,223
Thanked 5,952 Times in 3,104 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AdalineNChris View Post
No His First Time Ever In Prison/Jail , My Husband Doesn't Have A Background Till Now , , No I Know He Won't Be Going Back The Old Way He Haves Changes A Lot Plus We Have A Son Together Who Is One He Wants To Be A Father/In His Life .
I doubt you would ever be hired by any law enforcement agency! You can certainly go thru the schooling but getting hired is a whole different ball game. You have no idea what he's going to be like when he comes out and for your own sake don't assume he's changed so much. LOTS of guys and girls in prison seem to be model citizens only to come out and be worse then when they went in. Some come out way better, but that's very rare and if your child was a big concern he'd have never gone and gotten himself locked up, he'd be with you now raising this child. Sorry to sound so brutally honest but the reality and what your thinking are totally different.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 06-13-2018, 04:36 PM
AdalineNChris's Avatar
AdalineNChris AdalineNChris is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: CA
Posts: 98
Thanks: 27
Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts
Thumbs up

Quote:
Originally Posted by xolady View Post
I doubt you would ever be hired by any law enforcement agency! You can certainly go thru the schooling but getting hired is a whole different ball game. You have no idea what he's going to be like when he comes out and for your own sake don't assume he's changed so much. LOTS of guys and girls in prison seem to be model citizens only to come out and be worse then when they went in. Some come out way better, but that's very rare and if your child was a big concern he'd have never gone and gotten himself locked up, he'd be with you now raising this child. Sorry to sound so brutally honest but the reality and what your thinking are totally different.
'Your Doubt Is Wrong 😊 I Went Down To My City Poilce Station Explain Everything Ask Questions I Got My Answer I Was Looking For But Thank You For Your Info ! And That's Your Opinion/How You Think And See It But Anywho Thanks Again
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to AdalineNChris For This Useful Post:
AndyS (06-13-2018)
  #18  
Old 06-16-2018, 11:59 AM
xolady xolady is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: May 2014
Location: highlands, florida
Posts: 5,738
Thanks: 12,223
Thanked 5,952 Times in 3,104 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AdalineNChris View Post
'Your Doubt Is Wrong 😊 I Went Down To My City Poilce Station Explain Everything Ask Questions I Got My Answer I Was Looking For But Thank You For Your Info ! And That's Your Opinion/How You Think And See It But Anywho Thanks Again
I don't know where you live but generally you must pass a psych exam, and by that I mean a 3-4 hour question and answer exam by a licensed psychiatrist. That's after going thru all the schooling. Anyone can get into the police academy not everyone who completes it can get a job. You might but I wouldn't count on it.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 06-15-2018, 02:10 PM
miamac's Avatar
miamac miamac is offline
Site Moderator Gone Mad

Staff Superstar Winner PTO Site Moderator 

 

Join Date: May 2013
Location: ORnativeAZresCAtied
Posts: 10,020
Thanks: 13,231
Thanked 19,253 Times in 6,911 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AdalineNChris View Post
No His First Time Ever In Prison/Jail , My Husband Doesn't Have A Background Till Now , , No I Know He Won't Be Going Back The Old Way He Haves Changes A Lot Plus We Have A Son Together Who Is One He Wants To Be A Father/In His Life .

I haven't gone through your post history, but your profile indicates he has three years left on his sentence. Some things to think about:
You can't predict the future. When folks are in jail/prison, they're never going back. But when that cell door isn't restricting them anymore, it's a matter of circumstance and will power. He may not want to go back, but that's not the same as staying out.

How will you handle the smack talk from other LEO about criminals? Can you keep a closed mouth? Can you ignore it? Can you find tactful ways to shut them down? The scrutiny from general public can be brutal, but when they're your coworkers and it's their job to arrest people like our husbands, can you handle the inevitable 'locker room' talk?
Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to miamac For This Useful Post:
Fridyrr.Likn (06-15-2018), His_Queen13 (06-15-2018), Nickel Timer (06-15-2018), Sarianna (06-16-2018), sidewalker (06-16-2018), xolady (06-15-2018)
  #20  
Old 06-15-2018, 10:51 PM
AdalineNChris's Avatar
AdalineNChris AdalineNChris is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: CA
Posts: 98
Thanks: 27
Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by miamac View Post
I haven't gone through your post history, but your profile indicates he has three years left on his sentence. Some things to think about:
You can't predict the future. When folks are in jail/prison, they're never going back. But when that cell door isn't restricting them anymore, it's a matter of circumstance and will power. He may not want to go back, but that's not the same as staying out.

How will you handle the smack talk from other LEO about criminals? Can you keep a closed mouth? Can you ignore it? Can you find tactful ways to shut them down? The scrutiny from general public can be brutal, but when they're your coworkers and it's their job to arrest people like our husbands, can you handle the inevitable 'locker room' talk?
Never Said I Can Predict The Future ! I Trust My Husband When He Tells Me I Don't Ever Or Will Come Back To This Place Again , This Is My Wake Up Call ! ! This Isn't My Life Style Or For Me , , I Know That Means He Won't Do Or Look For Anything That Will Get Him Lock Up Again .....To Be Honest As Long As Their Not Talking About My Husband I Can Keep My Month Shut/Ignore It/Handle The Inevitable .
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 06-16-2018, 10:27 AM
miamac's Avatar
miamac miamac is offline
Site Moderator Gone Mad

Staff Superstar Winner PTO Site Moderator 

 

Join Date: May 2013
Location: ORnativeAZresCAtied
Posts: 10,020
Thanks: 13,231
Thanked 19,253 Times in 6,911 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AdalineNChris View Post
Never Said I Can Predict The Future ! I Trust My Husband When He Tells Me I Don't Ever Or Will Come Back To This Place Again , This Is My Wake Up Call ! ! This Isn't My Life Style Or For Me , , I Know That Means He Won't Do Or Look For Anything That Will Get Him Lock Up Again .....To Be Honest As Long As Their Not Talking About My Husband I Can Keep My Month Shut/Ignore It/Handle The Inevitable .
I meant "you" in the generic sense, as in none of us can. I think what you're counting on is him keeping his nose clean, and that's fantastic. I have the same high expectation for my LO when he's released. What we can't control is the slippery slope that is parole. A simple error could land him back with a PV. Recidivism rates are high and don't reflect how many people are back on a serious vs. procedural PV. I heard once, "With some degree of certainty, you can guarantee that you will never commit a crime. But you can't say with any certainty that you will never be accused of one." And that is very much the position our husbands are in. They are felons and that, by default, moves them up the list of suspects. Being in the wrong place at the wrong time does happen and with a felony under your (generic) belt, that can mean trouble.

I hope that you pursue your career goals with realistic expectations and perhaps attend a hiring event, even in another town/jurisdiction. Ask questions, lots of them. Get a feel for the culture and decide if it's right for you. Personally, I think there are good LEO and bad LEO just like all agencies. Knowing what I know from the criminal side would make it very difficult for me to work in a department allowing bad LEO to exist because a snide and unnecessary comment about anyone in custody is a comment about my husband, or yours. I wouldn't last long for that reason.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to miamac For This Useful Post:
AdalineNChris (06-20-2018), Sarianna (06-16-2018)
  #22  
Old 06-13-2018, 11:15 AM
nimuay's Avatar
nimuay nimuay is offline
Super Moderator

PTO Super Moderator Pumpkin Hunt Participant 2014 Easter Egg Hunt 2013 - Participant 

Donation Award 
 

Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: new york
Posts: 24,642
Thanks: 7,134
Thanked 30,575 Times in 11,013 Posts
Default

xolady ^^^ tends to be a bit dire at times, but she's not entirely unrealistic. Take it for what it's worth.
__________________
You'll know you've created God in your own image when He hates all the people you do.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to nimuay For This Useful Post:
Fridyrr.Likn (06-13-2018), Patrickj (06-13-2018)
  #23  
Old 06-13-2018, 05:55 PM
Marseille's Avatar
Marseille Marseille is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: South Dakota, USA
Posts: 1,754
Thanks: 656
Thanked 3,430 Times in 1,086 Posts
Default

Even if there’s no specific law that says you can’t... think of how this makes you stack up against other candidates. You will never be the only person applying for a job. If you’ve got 10 people applying for a job and 9 of them aren’t married to a violent felon who’s done hard time, guess where you’ll rank?

I’m not a felon or a police officer and I can already think of like 6 nefarious things a criminal could do with access to the kind of information you’d have readily available in your home if you managed to get a job. Especially with the kind of naïveté you’re displaying about recidivism and violent crimes.

There’s TONS of online police forums and lots of people have asked this question. Unequivocally, the police officers are saying “hell, no”. Some specifically say there’s no way they’d partner with someone married to a violent felon because it puts them and the whole station in danger. I think you’d do well to dig into those forums and get a real feel for your chances (they’re piss-poor, and that’s being generous) before you spend years of studying and thousands in tuition to end up being a rent-a-cop on a Segway at the mall.
__________________
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Marseille For This Useful Post:
Nickel Timer (06-15-2018), Patrickj (06-13-2018), xolady (06-15-2018)
  #24  
Old 06-14-2018, 01:55 PM
AdalineNChris's Avatar
AdalineNChris AdalineNChris is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: CA
Posts: 98
Thanks: 27
Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts
Thumbs up

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marseille View Post
Even if there’s no specific law that says you can’t... think of how this makes you stack up against other candidates. You will never be the only person applying for a job. If you’ve got 10 people applying for a job and 9 of them aren’t married to a violent felon who’s done hard time, guess where you’ll rank?

I’m not a felon or a police officer and I can already think of like 6 nefarious things a criminal could do with access to the kind of information you’d have readily available in your home if you managed to get a job. Especially with the kind of naïveté you’re displaying about recidivism and violent crimes.

There’s TONS of online police forums and lots of people have asked this question. Unequivocally, the police officers are saying “hell, no”. Some specifically say there’s no way they’d partner with someone married to a violent felon because it puts them and the whole station in danger. I think you’d do well to dig into those forums and get a real feel for your chances (they’re piss-poor, and that’s being generous) before you spend years of studying and thousands in tuition to end up being a rent-a-cop on a Segway at the mall.
'Thanks For Your Opinion ! My Schooling Is Only Gonna Be 1/6 Months Not Years Lol , I Got My Information What I Needed From A Poilce Officer ! ! There's A Lot Who Have Dad's Mom's Sister's Kids Etc. Who Are Doing Hard Time Or Have A Violet Crimes But Yet Still Got Hire As A Poilce Officer Even Though Their Family Are e
Ex-Convicts Or Incarcerated . But Thanks Again
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 06-15-2018, 11:28 AM
WeepingWillow's Avatar
WeepingWillow WeepingWillow is offline
Southern Fried Site Moderator on Leave

PTO Site Moderator 

 

Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,838
Thanks: 3,115
Thanked 3,329 Times in 1,175 Posts
Default

If you can find it in your heart to stop typing like that, I would be enterally grateful. I only read your first post because it made me googly-eyed.

Anyway, I think you’ve gotten some good info - lots of people in law enforcement or legal fields have loved ones in prison. It’s just a fact of life. I’m sure it comes with its own set of challenges but if you work hard and earn people’s respect, I’m sure it’ll become a non-issue. You aren’t responsible for your husband’s choices and his incarceration doesn’t have to impact your ability to be a great police officer.

I’m pretty sure my husband would DIE if I wanted to become a cop. I kinda want to pretend I’m thinking about it just to see his reaction
__________________
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to WeepingWillow For This Useful Post:
AdalineNChris (06-15-2018), OnlyInTexas (06-23-2018), Sarianna (06-15-2018), xolady (06-15-2018)
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Active Police Officer ladynblack Pleasant Valley State Prison (PVSP) - California 2 08-30-2007 11:14 AM
police officer Valentine4ever Texas General Prison Talk 2 12-24-2006 11:58 AM
Impersonating a police officer?? smpotter Texas General Prison Talk 4 07-08-2005 07:28 PM
Frmer Corrections Officer Kills Police Officer and Self in Domestic StandOff deb Connecticut Prison & Criminal Justice News & Events 0 01-02-2005 11:14 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:58 AM.
Copyright © 2001- 2017 Prison Talk Online
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Website Design & Custom vBulletin Skins by: Relivo Media
Message Board Statistics