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Old 10-11-2018, 11:02 AM
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Trump says prisoner clemency coming Americans jailed no reason.

"President Donald Trump said Wednesday that he wants to free more federal prisoners like Alice Johnson, the woman who he ordered released in June after she served 20 years of a life sentence for a first-time nonviolent drug conviction.

'I'd like to find a lot of people like Alice Johnson,' he told reporters in the Oval Office during a briefing about Hurricane Michael.

'There are a lot of people that are in a situation like that,' the president added, 'and we are actively looking for those situations.'"

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Trump seems to only be interested in using his pardon power when flashy celebrities like Kim Kardashian are whispering in his ear, and he can get some free publicity out of the deal.

He has a long way to go if he ever expects to out-do all the clemency motions issued by Obama.
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He has the ability to release anyone he chooses from federal prison sentences. My first suggestion, if he really means it, is to remove AG Sessions DOJ pardon attorney from the review process completely. They are placed in that job because of their "just say no" thought process.
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Trump seems to only be interested in using his pardon power when flashy celebrities like Kim Kardashian are whispering in his ear, and he can get some free publicity[/b] out of the deal.
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I personally know this much, you're 100000% right so i am not at all at this time believing any 1 who is just "talkin'" the talk premised on the rich flash of a celebs
yep,(kim k, and her out of wack-actin' IMO not well, her spouse Kanye.) Time will tell. We will all see..."adios.
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Too bad this is just b.s. in terms of finding others sentenced like this. Obama actually engaged people, attorneys in particular, to help file clemency petitions and review clemency petitions to clear out some of the BOP. Trump hasn’t engaged the legal profession, meaning he’s really not interested in freeing anybody.
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It's all BS talk. Both Trump and Sessions are all about looking like they are tough on crime no matter what the "crime" is.... all you have to do is look at immigration, marijuana charges and other non-violent crimes that they are making sure people spend as much time as possible in the BOP.
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It's all BS talk. Both Trump and Sessions are all about looking like they are tough on crime no matter what the "crime" is.... all you have to do is look at immigration, marijuana charges and other non-violent crimes that they are making sure people spend as much time as possible in the BOP.
Actually, I think its worse than that. There's. Reason private prison stock prices rose so dramatically after his election. The private prison companies were counting on significantly increased revenue caused by increased federal contracts, increased number of inmates, etc. The stock market viewed it the same, resulting in the rise in prices.

And now we are there. Maybe they are thinking the people they call illegal immigrants will help increase private prison revenue. Maybe not. Still, it is a growth industry and set of stocks.

Trump will never screw with that - they are helping fund his re-election campaign.
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It sounds to me as if the vast majority of the "illegals", adults and children, are already being held in privately owned prisons, including Arpaio-like desert tent cities.

Trump has said that the police shouldn't worry so much about slamming the heads of arrested individuals into the doors/roof of police cars, so white collar criminals may benefit from his "kindness", but all of the others are encountering an increasingly brutal police state here in "America first".
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How do you know Trump is lying?

His lips are moving.
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I think that Trump seems to truly care about prison and sentencing reform, but I think he will wait until after midterms to do anything major.

Illegal immigrants and terrorists are the two types of offenders that I think will get zero sympathy from Trump.

He also stated that he would overrule Sessions on prison reform and this is the latest of many public comments he has made against Sessions.

I predict that he is going to try to fire Sessions for reasons mostly unrelated to prison reform but appoint someone open to reform, tough on immigration, and loyal to him.

His pardons/commutations come in trickles, but he started this process quickly unlike most presidents who waited until the end of their terms for political purposes.

Trump is not perfect but he is the first Republican president in a long time to support genuine reform.

Disclosure: I am a huge Trump supporter (with Trump/Libertarian leanings) but I am willing to be as objective as reasonably possible.
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I think that Trump seems to truly care about prison and sentencing reform, but I think he will wait until after midterms to do anything major.

Illegal immigrants and terrorists are the two types of offenders that I think will get zero sympathy from Trump.


He also stated that he would overrule Sessions on prison reform and this is the latest of many public comments he has made against Sessions.

I predict that he is going to try to fire Sessions for reasons mostly unrelated to prison reform but appoint someone open to reform, tough on immigration, and loyal to him.

His pardons/commutations come in trickles, but he started this process quickly unlike most presidents who waited until the end of their terms for political purposes.

Trump is not perfect but he is the first Republican president in a long time to support genuine reform.

Disclosure: I am a huge Trump supporter (with Trump/Libertarian leanings) but I am willing to be as objective as reasonably possible.

Pardoning Sheriff Arapia proves otherwise.

To use "celebrities" as the face of prison reform is laughable, releasing one federal offender when many in the past have done more...that's not taking a stance on prison reform. That's a photo op.

Housing thousands of "illegals" in private prisons, is far removed for prison reform. That's using an issue that's long ignore to piggy back off another that's been used to be "tough on crime" now "tough on illegals".

Within reason, please show where and when this administration has taken steps to address prison and sentencing reform.
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The Clemency initiative was started in 2014 through the Justice Department to identify those federal inmates most deserving of relief from harsh sentencing. they harassed the power of attorneys, paralegals, and others to help inmates identify themselves, file clemency petitions, and do the initial review. Several other layers of review occurred before the more than 35,000 petitions were disposed of with Obama granting relief in only 5% of cases.

The first pardon signed by Obama was in 2010, when he still had 6 years left to serve as president.

President Bush started granting relief to prisoners in 2002.

the Elder Bush started granting relief in 1989.

I can continue, but I think that’s more than enough to prove the point that Guru needs to step away from Fox News or the trump report and reevaluate his position. Trump is doing a bunch of high profile pardons and clemencies. This should not be mistaken for substantive sentencing reform or actual relief for those who really need it.
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Btw, might also want to look up the Second Chance Act of 2007, and case law into sentencing reform.

Genuine reform has to come from the Legislature, you know, the guys who actually write and vote on the law.
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Amen, re: not getting your news from Fox News and their ilk .. Fox’s own journalists have become disgusted with its current “propaganda mouthpiece for Trump” reporting and collected their things and left the network.
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