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Old 03-21-2006, 01:23 PM
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Thumbs up 'Inmates should have conjugal visits' -- U.S. prison official

Maybe we should get this guy Cummins to lobby for this around the US, not just Ireland!

He mentions that a lot of the inmates in the Washington state program are lifers.

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19/03/2006 - 11:59:15

A former US prison governor today called for Irish inmates to be given the rights to conjugal visits in prison.

James Cummins, who introduced the practice of letting wives and children stay overnight with prisoners in Washington State Penitentiary, said it had very positive effects.

“The purpose of it is to try and keep families together. Because when someone goes to prison that’s married, it’s a tremendous strain on the family. And those involved with it say it’s been very successful,” he said.

The practice has never been introduced in Irish prisons but schemes have been set up in the US, Canada and other countries around the world.

Full story: http://www.breakingnews.ie/2006/03/19/story249966.html
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Hello Ladies I Am New To The Forum However I Wanted To Let You Guys Know That There Has Been A Appeal Submitted To The Attorney General For This Matter Of Familiy Visits For Lifers To Be Put On The Ballot Here In California!!!! The Requirements Are 400,000 Registered Voter Signatures To Get It On The Ballot. It Was Due On March 23rd And Now Has Been Pushed Until April!!! That Gives Us A Little More Time To Ban Together And Protect Our Rights As Wives And Family To See Our Loved Ones That Are Incarcerated!
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Im Currently Getting The Data And I Am Gonna Upload It Here So That You Girls Can Click On A Link And Have Access To The Petitions! But Please Pass The Word! This Has To Stop. No Only Are They Making It Hard For Those Of Us Who Want To Be There, They Are Trying To Dictate Who We As Women Procreate With!!! The Mason Dixon Line Needs To Be Drawn! I Do Know That The Initiative Is Coming Out Of Sacramento From A Group Of Women @ Csp- Sac New Folsom! We Need All The Help We Can Get!!

Technically If They Are Stipulating 400,000 We Need 800,000 Due To Fall Out(people Signing Petitions Who Are Not Registered Voters) And I Have A Solution For This As Well... Ask People If They Are Registered At The Time Of Signing And If Not Give Them A Voters Registration Form Right Then And There! You Can Get Those From Your Local Post Office Or Download Them Online!! You Cant Change Laws Or Even Complain About Them If You Dont Vote Ladies!!!!
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HELLO LADIES I WAS WONDERING IF SOMEONE WOULD BE SO KIND AS TO HELP ME LEARN HOW TO NAVIGATE INSIDE HERE. I WOULD LOVE TO READ YOUR RESPONSES BUT I DONT KNOW HOW....HELP
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is that the information that was sent throughout some of the yahoo groups? The one that's said to be put on the Nov ballot???
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Ok, Mrs Diva,
is this what you're talking about.
Restoring visits for lifers:
received this and was asked to spread this around.
I deleted the woman's name and address that started made this notice because I didn't know if I could leave it on because of PTO's policy. (edited per PTO's policy on PMs)


**ATTENTION** **ATTENTION**
**ATTENTION**



AN OPEN LETTER TO: ALL PRISONERS, FAMILY, FRIENDS, WIVES,
HUSBANDS, AND CHURCH SUPPORT GROUPS
OF PRISONERS INCARCERATED IN THE STATE
OF CALIFORNIA!


A small group of prisoners and their families are attempting to have an initiative placed on the ballot for November of 2006 which would reinstate (and make permanent) family visiting for all prisoners who were eligible and receiving such visits prior to the CDC’s amendment of the family visiting regulations in 1995/1996.
Because we have no organizations/groups or monetary resources behind us, we are going to need all the help we can get from family members, friends, wives, etc…. This will be what is called “a grass roots effort” which means that we will be responsible for doing everything that needs to be done in order to bring our dreams to reality.
Having said that, we want everyone concerned (and anyone who would like to be involved in this effort) to understand that the initiative process is a very simple process.
We anticipate that our biggest challenge will be gathering the 373,816 signatures from registered voters that we will need to have our initiative qualify and be placed on the ballot for November 2006. we will have only 150 days to gather those signatures once the Attorney General prepares and returns to us the official title and summary of the initiative measure. We have suggested the title: “THE CALIFORNIA PRISONER REHABILITATION INITIATIVE.”
The first step is to send a copy of our initiative to the Attorney General’s Office with a written request for a title and summary of the chief purpose and points of the proposed initiative measure, along with a $200.00 fee, which was sent January 19, 2006. We anticipate receiving a response to our request sometime around the last week of February. From the date that the Attorney General sends us a title and summary, we will have 150 days to get the required 373,816 signatures (the signatures must only come from persons who are registered to vote in the State of California); if we want our initiative measure to qualify without having to go through the counting of signatures we would need to get 110% of the total required. In this case, that would be approximately 415,000 signatures. Section 336 of the Elections Code requires that no petition or initiative be circulated prior to the official summary date; we will inform everyone involved the day that we receive the official title and summary by telephone (or by letter if you have no phone). We will also send out copies of the Attorney General’s title and summary and the full text of the initiative measure to everyone who intends to assist us in the gathering of signatures. We will try to get rough copies to anyone and everyone that might want one. Having said that, we would like to warn everyone involved that there will likely be opposition to this initiative; for that reason, we would respectfully ask that you all exercise caution with respect to sending copies of this initiative to people you might think are sympathetic to our cause. We want to make it clear to all of our friends and family (and anyone who decides to assist us) that we do not feel that we can trust any of those existing organizations that used to claim to advocate on our behalf. We simply do not believe that they continue to have our best interest at heart. If you are somehow connected to one of those groups we hope that you will not take offense and, if you are committed and sincere, we hope that you will join us in our endeavor. The chief reason for our distrust is the failure of those organizations to recognize the desperate need for a political movement and their concurrent failure to recognize the simplicity of the initiative process as a viable way to have all of those “lost “ privileges (including family visiting) restored to us; California adopted the initiative process in 1911, so it’s not as though this is a new idea.
In any event, we hope that everyone now realizes that we will not be getting our family visits back via the courts, nor will the Director, the Governor, or the Legislature be restoring our visits. The only way that we will have these visits restored is the initiative process. If we get this initiative passed it will be a part of the California Penal Code the next day. Then we can begin to look to the possibility of using this same process to change those statutes governing the “three-strikes” and parole procedures/criteria. Anything is possible once we establish a network.
As we said, the biggest hurdle will be the gathering of roughly 400,000 signatures from registered voters in a 150-day time period; however, we believe that if we are organized and we are communicating with one another via the telephone, e-mail, etc., we believe that this can be done very easily.
To give those who will become involved in the signature gathering effort some perspective, 400,000 signatures translates roughly into our needing to gather 80,000 monthly, 20,000 weekly, or 2,800 daily; if we could get 50 visitors from each of the 28 prisons to get 2 signatures a day or 14 a week for 150 days, we will have gathered enough signatures at the end of that 5-month period to have our initiative qualify and be placed on the ballot for November of 2006.
We believe, after consulting with many prisoners, that the reduction in visiting days/services, together with the corresponding reduction of family and community ties (due mostly to the 50% reduction in the number of prisoners allowed to participate in the family visiting program), has acted as a catalyst for and resulted in, an exponential rise in the kind of violent prisoner activity which we saw regularly in the past and, specifically, for the kind of prisoner on staff violence which has become spread throughout all maximum security prisons in this state. Almost every prisoner we’ve spoken to about the violence (and about the recidivism rate), have all said that the source of the general anxiety and frustration has been what they perceive to be a deliberate attempt on the part of both the CCPOA and administrative staff to break up our family and community ties. They point to the reduction in the visiting and family visiting program, the very high telephone charges (which have made phone calls home almost cost prohibitive), and the very slow mail system, as the chief sources of their anger and frustration. Furthermore, everyone now knows that the Director of Corrections, at that time, used false and misleading statistics of incidences of misconduct, which was supposed to have been the basis for taking away our family visits; we later learned that the Director combined the incidences of misconduct which occurred in both the regular visiting room and the family visiting room. The actual statistics (and the evidence in the rulemaking file) goes no further than to establish that approximately 20 allegations of misconduct in family visiting occurred per year between 1992 and 1996. This number is out of about 26,000 such visits per year.
In any case, we believe that this initiative encompasses all of those things which, we believe, are inextricably tied to the rehabilitation of prisoners and their successful reintegration into society upon their eventual release from prison.
We thank you for taking the time to read this letter, and we would sincerely appreciate any assistance that you might be able to offer in the way of helping to bring this dream to reality. We will be needing as much help as we can get, so if you or someone you know would be willing to volunteer your time we would ask you to call or write the below signed person. If there is no answer when you call, please leave a message, including your phone number.
Thank you. J



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THE CALIFORNIA PRISONER REHABILITATION INITIATIVE



INITIATIVE MEASURE TO BE SUBMITTED DIRECTLY TO THE VOTERS





TO THE HONORABLE SECRETARY OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA:

We, the undersigned, registered, qualified voters of the State of California, residents of the afore-described County (or City and County), on the signature page of this petition section, hereby propose a new statute to the California Penal Code, relating to the rehabilitation of California prisoners, and petition the Secretary of State to submit the same to the voters of California for their adoption or rejection at the next succeeding general election or at any special statewide election held prior to that general election or otherwise provided by law. The proposed statute (full title and text of the measure) reads as follows:

THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:

SECTION 1. TITLE

This initiative shall be known and may be cited as The California Prisoner Rehabilitation Initiative.

SECTION 2. FINDINGS AND DECLARATIONS

The people of the State of California do hereby find and declare as follows:

(a) The people of the State of California are aware that upwards of 85% of California’s 160,000-plus state prisoners are prisoners who have been sentenced to determinate prison terms and therefore must be released/paroled from prison at some point in the not-too-distant future.

(b) The people, understanding that the release of these prisoners is inevitable, also realize that the release of the aforementioned prisoners will directly affect and have a direct impact upon them and their respective communities.

(c) The people believe that the security and safety of the public is of paramount importance and that it is inextricably tied to the rehabilitation of prisoners and their successful reintegration into society upon their eventual release.

(d) The people recognize that those findings and declarations previously made by the legislature (enumerated below) must be confirmed and accepted in their entirety and, consequently, a new emphasis and/or focus placed on rehabilitation programs designed to bring the people’s mandate to fruition.

(e) The legislature has previously found and declared that there is a direct correlation between functionally literate prisoners, their successful reintegration into society upon release, and a corresponding reduction in the recidivism rate (See Penal Code Section 2053-2053.1.).

(f) Maintaining a prisoner’s family and community relationships is a proven and effective correctional/management technique which reduces recidivism (See Penal Code Section 6350).

(g) Prisoners who have become drug and alcohol free while incarcerated appear to stand a much better chance of rehabilitating themselves and of successfully reintegrating into society and completing parole upon their release; it is the policy of the State to encourage drug testing in order to determine addiction to controlled substances and/or the absence thereof (See Health and Safety Code Section 11554).

(h) Enhancing visiting and visitor services encourages and promotes family and community ties which, in turn, discourages violent prisoner activity (See Penal Code Section 6350(b)).

SECTION 3. PURPOSE

It is the intent and purpose of the People of the State of California in enacting this measure to:

(a) Ensure that the Secretary and Director of the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation acknowledge those aforementioned findings and declarations made by the legislature and begin to take definitive steps toward the realistic and achievable goal of rehabilitating those prisoners currently incarcerated within California’s prisons who are, themselves, making or are willing to make a concerted effort to rehabilitate themselves.

SECTION 4. PROPOSED STATUTE

(1)(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law or department policy, and providing that all of the below enumerated conditions are met, the Secretary and Director of the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation shall permit all prisoners under their care, custody or control (except for those prisoners who are condemned to die or those who are assigned to a reception center, or administrative segregation/security housing unit) to participate in the family visiting program.

(b) Aside from those restrictions set forth in (1)(a) above, and those child victim visiting restrictions set forth in s1202.05 of the California Penal Code and s362.6 of the California Welfare and Institutions Code, there shall be no other restrictions with regard to participation except that prisoners shall be required before being allowed participation in the family visiting program, to meet the following conditions:

(c) Although the Director of the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation is currently required (pursuant to ss2053-2053.1 of the California Penal Code), to have in place a literacy program designed to ensure that prisoners are able to achieve a ninth-grade reading level upon parole, the Director shall require that any prisoner wishing to participate in the family visiting program must either have on file or obtain a high school diploma, high school equivalency or G.E.D.; moreover, the Director shall use those resources provided under ss2053.1, 2053.4, 2054 and 2054.1 of the California Penal Code, to provide each prisoner wishing to participate in the family visiting program with an opportunity, annually, to take such a test;

(d) Provided that a prisoner who wishes to participate in the family visiting program has already obtained a high school diploma, high school equivalency or G.E.D., he/she shall be required to agree to random drug testing and to participate in an Alcoholics Anonymous and/or Narcotics Anonymous program whenever one becomes available as a condition of being allowed to participate in the family visiting program.

(2) Notwithstanding any other provision of law or department policy, family visits shall not be denied to any prisoner based on their sentence, their custody designations, any prior guilty findings for any disciplinary offenses or crimes which were incurred prior to the enactment of this law, nor shall any prisoner be denied participation based on his/her commitment offense(s) or for any other reason not mentioned herein; further, while a violation of any visiting rule or regulation may result in a prisoner being denied participation in the family visiting program, such denial through disciplinary action shall be for a specified period of time not to exceed 180 days.

(3) Notwithstanding any other provision of law or department policy, the Secretary and Director of the California Department of Corrections shall permit all prisoners (except for those prisoners who have been assigned to a reception center or administrative segregation/security housing unit and those prisoners who violated visiting rules/regulations since the enactment of this law and subsequently had their contact visits suspended through a disciplinary or committee action) to have contact visits. Prisoners shall not be denied contact visits with any person based on length of sentence, custody designations, any prior guilty findings for any disciplinary offenses or crimes incurred prior to the enactment of this law, nor shall any prisoner be denied contact visits with any person because of his/her commitment offense(s) (except that those child victim visiting restrictions set forth in s1202.05 of the California Penal Code and s362.6 of the California Welfare and Institutions Code shall apply), or for any other reason not mentioned herein; further, while a violation of any visiting rule or regulation may result in a prisoner being denied participation in the family visiting program, such denial through disciplinary action shall be for a specified period of time not to exceed 180 days.

SECTION 5. SEVERABILITY

If any provision of this measure or the application thereof to any person or circumstance is held invalid, that invalidity shall not affect other provisions or applications which can reasonably be given effect in the absence of the invalid provision or application.

SECTION 6. CONFLICTING BALLOT MEASURES

In the event that this measure and another measure or measures relating to the rehabilitation of California prisoners is approved by a majority of voters at the same election, and this measure receives a greater number of affirmative votes than any other such measure or measures, this measure shall control in its entirety and said other measure or measures shall be rendered void and without any legal effect. If this measure is approved but does not receive a greater number of affirmative votes than said other measure or measures, this measure shall take effect to the extent permitted by law.

SECTION 7. AMENDMENT

The Legislature shall not amend or repeal this initiative statute by another statute without the approval of the electors pursuant to Article II, s10, subdivision (c) of the California Constitution

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Yes This Is Definitely The Issue. Her Information Is Okay To Release As It Is Solely For This Purpose! She Asked Me Today To Post My Copy On Here However I Hope I Did Not Violate Any Policy Of Pto Because That Is Not My Intentions! Hopefully I Get Some Hit On Request For The Letter That We Composed To Send To The Senators Because We Are Trying To Push This Thing From All Angles! I Have The 3 Pager Letter And Signature Form And Will Supply As A Many Request As Possible. I Amd Trying To Get People Informed And I Posted Two Inserts In The California News And Events. Please Spred The Word (PM Request edited per PTO's policy on PM's)Thank You So Much And I Apologize For Not Responding Sooner My Server Was On The Fritz!!
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Ok, Mrs.Diva,
I know I will definately spread the word!!
I do know that it's already circulating around some prisons. If there's anything that I can to do help please let me know.
I know you didn't intend to violate PTO policies but we just have to be careful about posting addresses and phone numbers I think. Maybe it's ok, I don't know. I might could be wrong and it only pertains to website addresses and emails.
Anyway, I will be more than happy to help.
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I just had it sent to me yesterday but it dont say were you can sign and if they are even close to getting this on the Ballot. I am also new to this. My man have 25 with the L and he goes to the board in Oct maybe if they get to him. I feel in my heart he will get a date. He was not the main person but got what the shooter got so I hope that will make a difference when he goes to the board. He said he is sorry it happened and wants to come home soon. We were married 8 Months ago and I met him in there. He is a great guy with a big heart and they say they dont care about no one or nothing that is B.S.. All he wants is a second chance with life he knows he may have to go a few times but says all he would want is a date. He has a date from the court but I need to know if the board has to honor that. I pray that this bill is passed I havent even been able to be with my husband yet and it sure is getting hard. I want to be faithful to him. Well maybe when someone hears on the decision you can post it here so we can all know. If anyone knows if the board has to honor a date giving by the Judge in his case please let me know. Thank you for having a place for us to come and talk. My prays are with all of you we are in this all together and we must stand tall and strong for our HUSBANDS and MEN......................
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Welcome Fellas Girl!!
I don't know too much about your husband's sentencing but in general, yes the board is suppose to honor the judge's decision, especially if you've it in writting. My husband took a plea but the D.A has not honored it or the board....so go figure.
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Thanks for the infor and I pray that they will honor all this. I know things are changing.Please let me know if they get all the sig they need for these visits. We all need to be on this. We need to keep the familes together they need us and they need to know they have family there and I feel if anyone should have visit they should. Well ladies please keep us updated. I dont think my husband took a plea he just took what the judge gave him.. Thanks for all you help
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It may be unpopular but i disagree, the women and or men of a loved one who is incarcerated forever should be and or have the chance to get on with life and live a normal one its not only unfair to the the one who is left behind but to children. when you do this you string out the inevitable facts and make life harder in the long run for those left behind and also believe it or not for the inmate.
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Please review the following PTO policy below....

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“Inviting” is termed as a post where you invite other members to contact you to find out more information, rather than post it in the forum. This is not allowed and any posts with emails or invitations to contact for more information will either be edited or deleted entirely. Repeated abuse of this may result in loss of posting privileges.

Asking members to PM you for more info is a policy violation. I know you all are trying to do some good for the lifers and I appreciate that, but lets do it within the guidelines!

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It may be unpopular but i disagree, the women and or men of a loved one who is incarcerated forever should be and or have the chance to get on with life and live a normal one its not only unfair to the the one who is left behind but to children. when you do this you string out the inevitable facts and make life harder in the long run for those left behind and also believe it or not for the inmate.


I have a husband and 3 children that would disagree with you on this!!!
I've stood by my husband for 21 years now and we are all very happy!



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penwife,
just to clarify. Can we post addresses of contact information?
As P.O boxes or even website addresses?
I thought we're not allowed to post information and thought to give it only through pm's only because I've seen it done before and thought it was ok.
Please clarify so I will know not what to do in the future.
Also, if people are allowed to post websites and the websites lead to contact information, is that allowed also.
You see, I thought censored information only pertained to profits as spam for advertisement and such, not so much as public info.
I just find all of this confusing because PTO has an activism forum and one would need to post contact info to get involved.
Just curious, I really would like to know so that I will not violate PTO'S policy, it was not my intention.
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well i wont agure the point with you but i still stand by what i said
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ozzie,
one's definition of what is "normal" may vary.
I find some familys of lifer's children are and do lead a "normal" life as can be.
Because a lifer is not able to do or share in the "normal" actvities as other fathers does not make him less of a father.
There are fathers that are in the military that are not able to spend as much time with their children as they can but they still have a very close relationship. It would be lovely to live in the Joan Clever days but there are many different types of "family structures" and some may not be acceptable to some and some will be but I don't live my life for acceptability of others. I live my life for me and my family and given a chance, I would get pregnant by my lifer in a minute. Why? Because it's my choice.
Who's to say what's fair or normal?

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I would get pregnant by my lifer in a minute. Why? Because it's my choice.
Who's to say what's fair?
Been there done that!!! My lifer hubby and I had a baby back in 95......what a joy she is to us! I am so grateful that I didn't give up on my hubby because of his life sentence, for if I had, I never would of been blessed with this wonderful child.

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It would be lovely to live in the Joan Clever days but there are many different types of "family structures" and some may not be acceptable to some and some will be but I don't live my life for acceptability of others.
bravo!!!!! I don't seek out approval from others either....that is why I am able to accept a difference of opinion. After 21 years of standing by my man, I've learned that my opinions and that of my family is what matters most.


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Old 05-03-2006, 12:11 PM
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penwife,
you're right, the people that should matter is family and I bet that little girl of yours loves her daddy just as much as any other precious child that loves her father. My children maintain a close and healthy relationship with their step-father, my husband. Kudos to you because given life's challenges you're blessed with a great family and a strong relationship, which some are not fortunate to have.

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How wonderful. May I just say, when I go visit my husband (our children are grown), there is one Mom who comes to visit her husband and always brings the five children (three boys - two gilrls ranging in age from approximately 9 yrs to 18, judging by how they look), these kids adore their father, that is evident by how they interact. This family is such a joy, each time they walk into the visiting room, my husband says, "There's your favorite family". I just love the look on Dad's face when he wraps his arms around his children, his sons always hug and kiss their father. Mom and Dad hug and kiss last, then they all sit around the table laughing, talking, sharing. I feel sad for them, I don't know them or their situation, but the love they have for each other so clearly shows and I would want them to have a weekend with their Mom and Dad together, that would be amazing. I would love to have a weekend with my sweet husband. He has been in for 18 years, has 1.5 more to go. Please, God, help us make it to 2008! But, I would love to know these beautiful children could sit around and love their father and mother without a room full of people. We need love, intimacy, closeness. Depriving people of the love of family is inhuman. Especially after so many years and a proven record of abiding by the rules. Please help us understand we are to value human life, not throw it away like it doesn't matter. Yes, they did wrong, yes they are paying a price, but there are things we, as a society, can do to help them. And, if we can help turn one person around, isn't that a blessing? I want to love my husband, be close to him. He has spent 18 long years paying for a horrible choice he made. He has had nothing against his record since he went in, he was a law-abiding citizen until the tragic decision that changed his life forever. Does he not ever deserve to be shown any act of kindness ever again? Is there nothing he can do to be forgiven? What incentive is there to do right, to change your life, if nothing you ever do makes a difference? I don't undertsand. I just know I love him dearly and working in Corporate America, I see people every day that have no where near the character my husband does, and yet, they would look down on my Sweet Man. We are all born needing to be loved. Why can't we put more effort into rehabilitation, trying to develop programs to build these people up, build up family, strengthen what is good and weaken what is not good. I know this sounds simple, but I believe we can help people change. I think congugal visits are a step in the right direction and God knows we can never take too many of those! I'm praying for California.
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