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Old 06-08-2020, 09:30 AM
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I over heard a conversation about Admiralty law and was just curious?

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Old 06-08-2020, 02:07 PM
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I over heard a conversation about Admiralty law and was just curious?


What's the question? Admiralty law is a real practice area relatively few attorneys focus in. Supposed adherence to admiralty law is also the basis for some sovereign citizen arguments. Depending on what you heard, you may receive a straight answer or a explanation on how admiralty law really doesn't say or do what it's being purported to do.
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It sounds like it could be sovereign citizens BS to me too. Given the usual strength of their "evidence", LOL, owning a boat might be the reasoning that exempts them from ever having to follow any law that they don't agree with.

This is the first line of a google search for "maritime admiralty law sovereign citizen".

"A sovereign citizen has to make a contract with that corporation – one governed by admiralty or maritime law – to grant the government any jurisdiction over their person. And since a sovereign citizen has made no such contract, no court orders apply to them".

I'm incredulous that anyone would pay for this mumbo-jumbo BS, but plenty of them apparently do. I was once asked about the differences between two groups that both sold, at exorbitant prices, educational materials guaranteeing an exemption from all federal and most State laws.

My answer, the pocket that your money will end up in.
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Admiralty law in the United States was developed from the British admiralty courts present in most of the American colonies. With the Judiciary Act, though, Congress placed admiralty under the jurisdiction of the federal district courts. Although admiralty shares much in common with the civil law, it is separate from it.

What real Admiralty law means and represents

Admiralty courts, also known as maritime courts, are courts exercising jurisdiction over all maritime contracts, torts, injuries, and offenses.

The federal courts derive their exclusive jurisdiction over this field from the Judiciary Act of 1789 and from Article III, § 2 of the U.S. Constitution. Congress regulates admiralty partially through the Commerce Clause. American admiralty law formerly applied only to American tidal waters. It now extends to any waters navigable within the United States for interstate or foreign commerce. In such waters admiralty jurisdiction includes maritime matters not involving interstate commerce, including recreational boating.


What some people believe Admiralty law to represent to civil liberties But it's not called Admiral law it's called sovereignty law

What Sovereignty law represents:

The five different kinds of sovereignty are as follows: (1) Nominal arid Real Sovereignty (2) Legal Sovereignty (3) Political Sovereignty (4) Popular Sovereignty (5) Deo Facto and De Jure Sovereignty

It's the Popular Sovereignty what most people mean when they refer to Sovereign citizen.

Definition or Examples of Popular Sovereignty:
The first and most important example of popular sovereignty is the Constitution itself. This is the very document that gives the common people power and protects their rights from an oppressive government and instead allows for one ruled by the people, for the people.


What people think it to mean:

What does it mean to be a sovereign citizen?
Sovereign citizen is a term used to refer to a political movement which grew out of a belief in government abuses of power. Members often refuse to hold social security cards or driver's licenses and avoid using zip codes. ... Sovereign citizens may also be referred to as "freemen" or "common law citizens".


Stories of sovereign citizens



I hope your questions have been answered and if there's anything that you don't understand please don't hesitate to ask.
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