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My son was recently transferred to Green Haven. Since he has been in the NYS prison system we have struggled as a family to get his numerous health problems addressed. He has been beaten on several occasions while in the system. He now has a legacy of health concerns. He has an ankle so damaged that he can hardly walk.

My son has tried everything to advocate on his own behalf, but it seems they want to bury his efforts - which may be a reason they transferred him to such a huge facility.

It is difficult enough for a healthy individual to survive in these prisons, how the hell do they expect someone who is additionally vulnerable to survive?
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Old 12-11-2019, 09:30 PM
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Have you contacted any advocacy groups for help? Any elected officials?

Do you have a Hippa form filled out?
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Have you contacted any advocacy groups for help? Any elected officials?

Do you have a Hippa form filled out?
We have a Hippa form on file. We tried to get a few organizations involved but none have the resources to get involved with individual cases. My son even filed with the DOJ as a civil rights complaint while in Auburn, they sent a docket number and it appeared we might be getting somewhere with it and then he got a response that they closed the complaint because he was transferred. That was a real WTF moment.

They are trying to silence him, bury him, wear him down and they are violating his right to receive proper medical care, I plan to write to the powers that be at the facility, possibly contact the regional ACLU office. I think they are enjoying shutting him down.
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We have a Hippa form on file. We tried to get a few organizations involved but none have the resources to get involved with individual cases. My son even filed with the DOJ as a civil rights complaint while in Auburn, they sent a docket number and it appeared we might be getting somewhere with it and then he got a response that they closed the complaint because he was transferred. That was a real WTF moment.

They are trying to silence him, bury him, wear him down and they are violating his right to receive proper medical care, I plan to write to the powers that be at the facility, possibly contact the regional ACLU office. I think they are enjoying shutting him down.

They probably knew that the transfer would close the investigation and that's probably why he was transferred. I'm so sorry to see both you and your son go through all this. I'm not sure what other support i can offer as i don't know much about the system.
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What is your goal? To get him moved to a medical facility? Is he ambulatory or wheel chair?
Green Haven has a whole unit for handicap and wheel chair accessible only inmates. What care is he NOT receiving that he should’ be? This is your goal. All jails have different “specialties”, and a small jail may be full of staircases.
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What is your goal? To get him moved to a medical facility? Is he ambulatory or wheel chair?
Green Haven has a whole unit for handicap and wheel chair accessible only inmates. What care is he NOT receiving that he shouldí be? This is your goal. All jails have different ďspecialtiesĒ, and a small jail may be full of staircases.
Thanks for your reply Ms Sunny. Our main goal is to get him mobile, able to move around and traverse the long distances required of him to do what he needs to do within the facility. Right now he is semi-ambulatory, he simply cannot walk long distances. There have been no efforts since he's been in NYS prison system to do anything to assist his mobility or treat his ankle. In his previous spot he was in PC and he made do.

When he was in county they gave him a support boot device, but even that didn't last long they took it away. He is unable to get to the station to get meds he is on so they discontinued them - one is an anti seizure med that was prescribed for seizures he's had since his was beaten on the back of the head by a CO in reception in Elmira. He has neurological issues with his sight, again from that beating. He went into the system with ADA issues from a rare genetic skin condition that he was born with. I just want to see some real effort put into getting him stable and able to survive prison. An injured person without treatment is very vulnerable. The possibility of being in a handicapped unit/medical facility is the really the best option.
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They are withholding meds? That’s outrageous.
The mobility part is a process. He needs to sign up for sick call, and tell them him medical issues. It’s all slow. But if he needs PT there is a facility that men travel to in that hub for it. But he needs to sign up for sick call. Nothing happens unless he makes it happen. Unfortunately, you’re not going to change anything unless he updates you on certain things.

If he doesn’t share what accommodations he has or doesn’t have. Is his ankle in need of a brace? Each thing should be addressed individually. What did medical dept say when he asked for brace? Did he grieve no meds? Like I said, GH has a specific ADA unit. What is he having problems with?
I’m not trying to make you angry, but HE has responsibilities and avenues to follow. It is not easy to hear his heartache, but family carries a big burden. But there are avenues that he CAN do to help remedy, and until he does these things, all your concerns are like spitting in the wind. He also has a counselor, a senior counselor, a Dep and he can write. They will also advise him of avenues to take. Sometimes it’s just easier to pass it on to loved ones, but that is very unfair.
I work with these grown men every day, and you have no idea how many times I tell them to stop making the family suffer and put your pen to paper!!
As a mother I get it, but my view from the inside is the reality. You can only carry so much.
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They are withholding meds? Thatís outrageous.
The mobility part is a process. He needs to sign up for sick call, and tell them him medical issues. Itís all slow. But if he needs PT there is a facility that men travel to in that hub for it. But he needs to sign up for sick call. Nothing happens unless he makes it happen. Unfortunately, youíre not going to change anything unless he updates you on certain things.

If he doesnít share what accommodations he has or doesnít have. Is his ankle in need of a brace? Each thing should be addressed individually. What did medical dept say when he asked for brace? Did he grieve no meds? Like I said, GH has a specific ADA unit. What is he having problems with?
Iím not trying to make you angry, but HE has responsibilities and avenues to follow. It is not easy to hear his heartache, but family carries a big burden. But there are avenues that he CAN do to help remedy, and until he does these things, all your concerns are like spitting in the wind. He also has a counselor, a senior counselor, a Dep and he can write. They will also advise him of avenues to take. Sometimes itís just easier to pass it on to loved ones, but that is very unfair.
I work with these grown men every day, and you have no idea how many times I tell them to stop making the family suffer and put your pen to paper!!
As a mother I get it, but my view from the inside is the reality. You can only carry so much.

Thanks for the reply Ms Sunny. I totally hear you on the advocating for himself. He is good at that and has put in so many med slips to get things dealt with here and at the previous spots. Every facility is so different on what it takes to move issues. Some things unfortunately they choose to downplay or outright ignore.

He has made progress in that they moved him to the block that is specifically for medical needs. He is back on his meds. No accommodations whatsoever for his ankle. If they would just get him a way to stabilize the injury and a cane or something to walk with he'd be able to do simple things like get to the chow hall for meals. When we visited him yesterday, he hadn't eaten a proper meal in a week. Don't know why they just can't listen on his inability to get around.
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Thanks for the reply Ms Sunny. I totally hear you on the advocating for himself. He is good at that and has put in so many med slips to get things dealt with here and at the previous spots. Every facility is so different on what it takes to move issues. Some things unfortunately they choose to downplay or outright ignore.

He has made progress in that they moved him to the block that is specifically for medical needs. He is back on his meds. No accommodations whatsoever for his ankle. If they would just get him a way to stabilize the injury and a cane or something to walk with he'd be able to do simple things like get to the chow hall for meals. When we visited him yesterday, he hadn't eaten a proper meal in a week. Don't know why they just can't listen on his inability to get around.
If heís not going to chow, he must be getting a feed up tray, no?
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If heís not going to chow, he must be getting a feed up tray, no?
Nothing. They expect him to walk there and it is too far with his ankle. Green Haven is huge and the distance is way too far to make it.
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Nothing. They expect him to walk there and it is too far with his ankle. Green Haven is huge and the distance is way too far to make it.
What has he done besides tell you? This is unfathomable.
Chow is mandatory unless youíre getting a meal. If gettin nothing he better put pen to paper.
Did they tell him they would schedule him for an orthopedic visit? Since they are aware of his disability, they most probably would schedule him for specialist Iíve asked.
And maybe he is on the list to go. Unless itís an emergency, truly, then he can go on the list for when they schedule specialist visit. No, itís not immediate. I waited 6 weeks for my specialist after going to ER, things are no different inside than outside.
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What has he done besides tell you? This is unfathomable.
Chow is mandatory unless youíre getting a meal. If gettin nothing he better put pen to paper.
Did they tell him they would schedule him for an orthopedic visit? Since they are aware of his disability, they most probably would schedule him for specialist Iíve asked.
And maybe he is on the list to go. Unless itís an emergency, truly, then he can go on the list for when they schedule specialist visit. No, itís not immediate. I waited 6 weeks for my specialist after going to ER, things are no different inside than outside.
He is one to work everything available to him as far as medical slips and grievances. Everyone is passing the buck on this issue. The bottom line as I see it is they are demanding he do what he is unable to do. They are trying everything they can at every spot to *not* deal with his issues. We are hopeful now that he's in this unit they will actually get him care, treatment, full diagnosis. All they do is put their hands in the air and saunter away saying it's not my job to deal with this.

More calls today to light a fire under someone's ass if we can...
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My son finally is getting feed trays. We visited him on Christmas Day. A well placed letter seemed to make the difference, but overall the struggle for proper treatment continues.

The most frustrating part is that everyone wants to refer us back to his counselor who is useless. One day I spoke to the counselor's supervisor and she was even more useless. Possible help through the inmate liaison rep.

We must all stick together for proper treatment for our family members. Thanks for the replies, they really helped me feel not so alone in the struggle.
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Hi Everyone, I need some help and advice. My fiancť was recently transferred to green Haven to do SHU time because he was involved in a fight at his last facility who does not have any SHUís. So, heís in SHU and heís mentally starting to crack. He suffers from severe anxiety and it activates his depression and lately heís been feeling like heís being ignored. He spoke with a mental health person and they said heís been evaluated but they wonít know anything until next week. Iím concerned that heís going to hurt someone or himself because his anger is very bad. Itís all a recipe for a disaster and Iím super worried. I donít want anyone to think heís suicidal and put him on watch or the COís to start abusing him cause he can be very ruthless as well... what can I do? Who should I call to get his anxiety meds.... what can be done? I need help.
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Hi Everyone, I need some help and advice. My fiancť was recently transferred to green Haven to do SHU time because he was involved in a fight at his last facility who does not have any SHUís. So, heís in SHU and heís mentally starting to crack. He suffers from severe anxiety and it activates his depression and lately heís been feeling like heís being ignored. He spoke with a mental health person and they said heís been evaluated but they wonít know anything until next week. Iím concerned that heís going to hurt someone or himself because his anger is very bad. Itís all a recipe for a disaster and Iím super worried. I donít want anyone to think heís suicidal and put him on watch or the COís to start abusing him cause he can be very ruthless as well... what can I do? Who should I call to get his anxiety meds.... what can be done? I need help.
You answered your own question.
I would have advised you to call and state your concerns. If you say he is suicidal they will put a watch on him.
As far as meds, has he asked? Are they being denied?
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You answered your own question.
I would have advised you to call and state your concerns. If you say he is suicidal they will put a watch on him.
As far as meds, has he asked? Are they being denied?
How did I answer my own question? If I had the answers I wouldnít ask. Heís NOT suicidal but letís not sugar coat things. The box is basically designed for a psychotic break on those who already face mental health issues. Heís already expressed this to some counselor or whatever it is that makes rounds and still nothing... their reply was, maybe next week. Do you know how long a week is for someone who has to stay in that box? Iím not saying heís a sweet little cupcake who didnít deserve to go there because itís his punishment and heís doing it but he needs help....
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How did I answer my own question? If I had the answers I wouldnít ask. Heís NOT suicidal but letís not sugar coat things. The box is basically designed for a psychotic break on those who already face mental health issues. Heís already expressed this to some counselor or whatever it is that makes rounds and still nothing... their reply was, maybe next week. Do you know how long a week is for someone who has to stay in that box? Iím not saying heís a sweet little cupcake who didnít deserve to go there because itís his punishment and heís doing it but he needs help....
Then DO call. If you feel that way do call.

But you canít raise these issues of his mental health, then stop because you donít want them to act on your call.
Call and ask for Senior Counselor. Ask for an immediate mental health referral.
Iím not making any judgements, so please donít get indignant, Iím only advocating for him.
What you ultimately choose to do for him is your choice.
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How did I answer my own question? If I had the answers I wouldnít ask. Heís NOT suicidal but letís not sugar coat things. The box is basically designed for a psychotic break on those who already face mental health issues. Heís already expressed this to some counselor or whatever it is that makes rounds and still nothing... their reply was, maybe next week. Do you know how long a week is for someone who has to stay in that box? Iím not saying heís a sweet little cupcake who didnít deserve to go there because itís his punishment and heís doing it but he needs help....

Are you able to call the councilor or jail doctor and request that they give him back his meds? I know that the SHU is the most inhumane thing that a prisoner can experience. And to be quite honest it should be made obsolete. But would he being back on his medicine make a difference in his confinement situation and make it a little bit bearable for him?
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Then DO call. If you feel that way do call.

But you canít raise these issues of his mental health, then stop because you donít want them to act on your call.
Call and ask for Senior Counselor. Ask for an immediate mental health referral.
Iím not making any judgements, so please donít get indignant, Iím only advocating for him.
What you ultimately choose to do for him is your choice.
I wasnít coming off any negative way. I appreciate all your support always. =) thatís good advice .. thank you.
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Are you able to call the councilor or jail doctor and request that they give him back his meds? I know that the SHU is the most inhumane thing that a prisoner can experience. And to be quite honest it should be made obsolete. But would he being back on his medicine make a difference in his confinement situation and make it a little bit bearable for him?
He was doing so well not being on them for years in there but some how some way this SHU time took a toll on him and heís cracking. Heís usually VERY strong but I worry because his anger.
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He was doing so well not being on them for years in there but some how some way this SHU time took a toll on him and heís cracking. Heís usually VERY strong but I worry because his anger.

I'm so sorry for both you and him. Like i've said the SHU is the most inhumane thing a person could experience. And the confinement has negative effects on the mind and body of an inmate. The system knows this, as many scholarly reports and tests have been done on SHU confinement inmates and it has been known to worsen their mental decline and even cause them to suffer from PTSD. I really don't know what else to say other than i'm really sorry for your pain and his. My prayers are with you both.
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I'm so sorry for both you and him. Like i've said the SHU is the most inhumane thing a person could experience. And the confinement has negative effects on the mind and body of an inmate. The system knows this, as many scholarly reports and tests have been done on SHU confinement inmates and it has been known to worsen their mental decline and even cause them to suffer from PTSD. I really don't know what else to say other than i'm really sorry for your pain and his. My prayers are with you both.
I totally agree with you and i thank you from my heart for that sweet message. I spoke with him today and heís in much better spirits. I knows heís going to have good and bad days and all I can do is pray ... thank you so much.
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