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I think everyone needs to slow down, but not for reasons anyone has mentioned thus far. My analysis is that this needs to be drawn out quite a bit longer, so it's hanging over the Republicans for the mid-term elections in 2018. Let the Great Pumpkin keep gaffe-ing and tweeting and alienating everyone in sight and take the House back!
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Good point, nimuay.

After all, if a cooler head like Mike Pence gets in there, he'd probably actually be able to unify the Republican Party and actually get a lot of their agenda rammed through, unlike all the chaos under Trump.

But that could very well be why the Republicans decide to throw Trump under the bus. Because they know he's becoming a major obstacle and distraction from their agenda. So they may decide to hurry up and impeach him just to get him out of there, so they can start getting some real work done in Washington.
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Washington (CNN) -- The Justice Department on Wednesday appointed former FBI Director Robert Mueller as special counsel to oversee the federal investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, including potential collusion between Trump campaign associates and Russian officials.
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. So they may decide to hurry up and impeach him just to get him out of there, so they can start getting some real work done in Washington.
The Republicans are no longer in charge of the timing. This investigation will take some time....Robert Mueller hasn't even gotten staff together yet, and investigations can take a couple of years.
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True, true. We'll just have to see how this all plays out.
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Almost makes it look like he's wearing a striped prison uniform, doesn't it?
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Almost makes it look like he's wearing a striped prison uniform, doesn't it?
And it has a hint of barbed wire behind him....
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Presidents have the absolute right to terminate any federal appointee at any time for any reason or no reason, just like employers can fire employees in "employee at will" states. All federal appointees submit pro forma letters of resignation when a new administration takes over. If firing someone were cause for impeachment, Harry Truman would have been drawn and quartered for firing General of the Army Douglas MacArthur, Hero of the Pacific War. As Michael Corleone observed, "It's not personal. It's business".
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Actually, no they do not have that absolute right. tRump is not an absolute monarch...the U.S. is not a Monarchy, much to his emperor's dismay
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As Michael Corleone observed, "It's not personal. It's business".
That is a quite fitting quote for The Don.
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Actually, no they do not have that absolute right. tRump is not an absolute monarch...the U.S. is not a Monarchy, much to his emperor's dismay
Actually, yes they do have the absolute right. Precedent: Ronald Reagan fired over 11,000 members of PATCO, the Professional Air Traffic Controller's Organization, on August 5, 1981. Nobody managed to reverse his decision. PATCO disappeared without a trace. I doubt anyone believes that Trump has absolute power over all aspects of government. He does over political appointees' employment.
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It's the timing. He's fired everyone involved in the Russia probe. That's the issue. Personally i think they're lining all their little ducks in a row and plan on taking out all of them. Pence. Ryan. Trump. Everyone. Nullify the entire shit show and start over. They want them all. Imo
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It's the timing. He's fired everyone involved in the Russia probe. That's the issue. Personally i think they're lining all their little ducks in a row and plan on taking out all of them. Pence. Ryan. Trump. Everyone. Nullify the entire shit show and start over. They want them all. Imo
I have noticed the Trump supporters being very quiet on Facebook lately.
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Actually, yes they do have the absolute right. Precedent: Ronald Reagan fired over 11,000 members of PATCO, the Professional Air Traffic Controller's Organization, on August 5, 1981. Nobody managed to reverse his decision. PATCO disappeared without a trace. I doubt anyone believes that Trump has absolute power over all aspects of government. He does over political appointees' employment.
If I remember correctly, they were fired for cause as a result of striking.

No cause? To stop/hinder an investigation? Nixon created the playbook on that one.Didn't do him any good, either.

Guess I should say, you can't fire somebody in order to commit a crime (obstruction of justice)
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I have noticed the Trump supporters being very quiet on Facebook lately.
Most have likely grown tired of people that would rather lob ad hominem attacks at a POTUS who has actually got the economy headed in the right direction and who is following through on trying to remove persons in the country illegally.
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It's the timing. He's fired everyone involved in the Russia probe. That's the issue. Personally i think they're lining all their little ducks in a row and plan on taking out all of them. Pence. Ryan. Trump. Everyone. Nullify the entire shit show and start over. They want them all. Imo
The left would like nothing better than a coup. Trump and 307 electoral votes interrupted their march toward European socialism and a one world government.
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Hopefully the truth will come out. Whatever it is.
I just cant believe Trump has only been in office for a tad over a hundred days.
Good lord it feels like a couple years already.
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If I remember correctly, they were fired for cause as a result of striking.

That's correct. That notwithstanding, the bottom line on employment at the political appointee level is jobholders serve at the pleasure of the president. Every president has the right to create the staff framework he believes will most effectively advance the goals of his administration.

No cause? To stop/hinder an investigation? Nixon created the playbook on that one.Didn't do him any good, either.


Comey signed his career's death warrant when he assumed the authority to determine that, overwhelming evidence to the contrary, hillary clinton's mishandling of classified material didn't need to be referred to Loretta Lynch. He undoubtedly handled it to protect his boss but that was no excuse for his gross malfeasance.

Guess I should say, you can't fire somebody in order to commit a crime (obstruction of justice)

The investigation will continue apace without Comey, under whose "leadership" the FBI was totally paralyzed. The perpetrators of the Benghazi attack were never prosecuted. Clinton's email server, Fast and Furious, the IRS' assault on conservatives, New Black Panther voter intimidation and many other things should have been addressed but weren't. Comey prevented the FBI from doing its job. Trump's only mistake was not firing him on January 20th.
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Whew - you just said a mouthful!!! I think 62% of this country has the same sentiment...

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Trump can't reverse 8 years of damage in 100 days but he's off to a good start.
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Just keep in mind, CenTex, it's not an ad hominem if it's actually attacking his positions and things he's actually done, not just his person.
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HE turned the economy around? What the heck was Obama doing for 8 years? Seems to me the numbers support the idea that it was going positive for his two terms after the debacle of 2008. Not screaming along, no, but at least coming back to decent. It will still take several more years until the inequities level out (if the Congress will stop trying to secure the good offices of the super-rich).

As to the illegal aliens, I am pretty deeply concerned about the difficulties that everyone will be encountering. In this neck of the woods, almost all our horse-care, unskilled hospital and other medical-related jobs (porters, attendants, etc.), lawn care, basic construction, restaurants and several other categories of jobs are populated almost entirely by those "illegals". Just imagine what it's going to be like when Grandma needs some home-care and you suddenly can't find anyone to take the job at a price you and Grandma can afford. Or when chicken and pork and beef prices go through the roof because the people in the processing plants are whisked away and Americans don't even live in those areas in sufficient numbers to fill the lousy, dirty, dangerous jobs even if they wanted to.

There's going to be one whale of a lot of dislocation in our economy. Especially when all the foreign students turn to China and become familiar with their systems and friendly with their people instead of ours and make their connections there, and make a life that has no exposure to the US because we might decide not to let them back in the country.

Or when our assorted taxation systems start to crumble because they're not paying in their taxes any more.

Trump has a Congress that could actually make some sort of sense of the immigration system, but that hasn't been the direction he wanted to go. Just hate-mongering, adrenaline-fueled fear-mongering, no constructiveness.

Meanwhile, if ad hominem is the issue, the current crop of office-holders and their supporters haven't risen to the level of the John Adams/Thomas Jefferson campaign - don't vote for him, he's dead! level, but I do believe that the level thrown at Obama will be difficult to surpass. It may look like what they were called was entirely earned, in your eyes, but the simple fact is that what Trump's being accused of right now is stuff he's actually proud of - his hyperbolic alternative facts, etc. Don't want to drag all that up again on either side.

It may be, in the end, that ad hominem is in the ear of the listener.
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