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Ford pardoned Nixon before the guy was charged with anything - doesn't make it right, doesn't make it reek less. Arpaio is a despicable creature who damaged a lot of lives. This is his legacy. His racism is his legacy. His racism is polishing up the claim that trump is a racist as well. If he wanted to pardon the man without fanning the fires of his own racist reputation, he should have waited at least a year. It's a pardon. It doesn't matter when it happens.
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He should be given an ankle monitor to wear for the rest of his days. The PO should visit at weird hours, he should be subjected to drug testing, and all else in between.

This is what makes the judicial systems of this country laughable.
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What's interesting to me is that his background is so shady all the way around that most of the commenters in support of his pardon have no idea what he was convicted of. They just see him as someone who kicked out 'illegals' and that's reason enough for him to be above the law...literally.
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The President...shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
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Does that mean he won't be able to pardon himself if he gets impeached?
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[/indent]Does that mean he won't be able to pardon himself if he gets impeached?
Correct! Pence will pardon him, like Jerry Ford pardoned Tricky Dick!
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The President having a power doesn't mean that the President should use it to show favoritism. Trump deserves every bit of flack he is getting right now. Freedom of speech does not alleviate one from being open to criticism.
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A bit of a reminder of what kind of person Sheriff Arpaio was, why he was sentenced to jail, and what happened on his watch...
From Phoenix New Times(who covered Arpaio for over 20 years):
A few things we should know about the man Trump just pardoned:
- Arpaio ran a jail that he described as a "concentration camp."
- Prisoners there died at an alarming rate, often without explanation.
- One of his jailers nearly broke the neck of a paraplegic guy who had the temerity to ask for a catheter.
- One time, as a publicity stunt, he marched Latino prisoners into a segregated area with electric fencing.
- People have literally baked to death in cells (in one case, in a cell so hot, a freshly expired corpse was measured at 109 degrees). An investigator wrote that the cramped cell received virtually no air circulation. The circulation had been cut off by a detention officer because a cellmate had said something the officer didn't like
- Arpaio ran an ongoing "mugshot of the day" contest on the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office website.
- He arrested New Times reporters for covering him. They won a $3.75 million settlement for that.
- Under Arpaio, the MCSO failed to investigate hundreds of sex abuse cases, many of which involved children.
- But he somehow found time and money to send a deputy to Hawaii to look for Barack Obama's birth certificate.
- Oh, and one time he staged an assassination attempt against himself? That was weird.
- In 2013, a federal judge confirmed what literally everyone in Phoenix knew: he'd been racially profiling Latinos.
- So naturally, Arpaio hired a PI to investigate the judge and his wife.
- He also kept on profiling people, which is why he got charged with contempt of court (and was found to be guilty AF)
- He also tried to destroy some of the hard drives containing material that was supposed to be turned over the court.
- By 2015, his fondness for racial profiling had cost the county more $44 million. On top of, you know, ruining lives.
- He also paid millions to settle lawsuits where deputies stood by as an inmate was brutally beaten.
- Because this is the Old West or something, he had a "Sheriff's Posse." One member got arrested on child porn charges
- His office was responsible for countless fiascos like this botched SWAT raid, where deputies set a puppy on fire.
The best thing that happened to the people of Phoenix is getting rid of Sheriff Joe, if for no other reason that fewer people died. But you can throw the tax saving into the mix as well - all those civil rights violations claims that paid out big could have been spent on programs that prevented kids from growing up and going to jail.
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We're talking one individual who wreaked havoc on human lives for two decades being given a pat on the head and a lolipop by someone with the soul of a rusty, tetanus covered nail. I don't give a sh*t what happens to Arpaio. Truly. He can die in a pool of money being rubbed by bikini models. God takes care of those things. I very much care that our "president" is opening the flood gates for people like him to feel empowered and protected by this.

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The President having a power doesn't mean that the President should use it to show favoritism. Trump deserves every bit of flack he is getting right now. Freedom of speech does not alleviate one from being open to criticism.
obama freed thousands incarcerated for felony narcotics violations.

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I don't remember the main stream media having a problem with that.
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obama freed thousands incarcerated for felony narcotics violations.

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I don't remember the main stream media having a problem with that.


It's not simply about the MSM. Millions of Americans also take serious issue with it. And they should.

Arpaio, to me, was several degrees worse than Lee Baca who's not getting a pardon even though Trump probably doesn't take issues with the form of police brutality and obstructionism that occurred in Los Angeles County, either. No. This was purely a political move done as a favor not to the man but to the racist, inhumane agenda he represents.

It's okay though. With every move he makes like this Trump continues to show he is unfit to lead, and his supporters show just how creative they can get in coming up with excuses for his incompetence.

As to Obama...people in this country generally don't want tax dollars wasted on mandatory minimums for Non-Violent offenders. You put one drug dealer or distributor in prison, another one steps up and takes their place. You put an addict in prison, you're subsidizing their lifestyle because drugs get into prison. If you'd rather waste tax dollars on incarceration instead of community outreach and improvement, then I guess I could understand why that would bother you.
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I don't remember the main stream media having a problem with that.
Just like no one remembers Obama effigies being hung and burned during his term. Memory is funny like that.

I've also seen a meme being used to accuse of Obama of pardoning "violent crackheads" when it never happened.

Look, you want to continue to deflect and use weak arguments, then be my guest. It only reinforces that what is happening under Trump is indefensible and the only tool his supporters have is to try to distract and defer. Not exactly the best recruitment material.
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I don't remember the main stream media having a problem with that.
Commutation means their sentenced was adjusted. Their conviction still stands.
A pardon forgives the conviction.

And just so we're clear, Obama pardoned just over 200 people. He commuted the sentences of just under 2000 others. You can read his record here.
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Commutation means their sentenced was adjusted. Their conviction still stands.
A pardon forgives the conviction.

And just so we're clear, Obama pardoned just over 200 people. He commuted the sentences of just under 2000 others. You can read his record here.
Sorry about my lack of semantic appropriateness. I should have written that he released thousands. Hmmm... is there any practical difference?
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Sorry about my lack of semantic appropriateness. I should have written that he released thousands. Hmmm... is there any practical difference?
Those who were pardoned don't have to live the lives of convicted felons, just like Arpaio. Those who has their sentence commuted do live the rest of their lives as convicted felons. Now if you don't find that to be a "practical difference" then you haven't been paying attention to the problems that convicted felons have on the outside.

Either way, it's a false equivalence. If Obama had cleared off the federal death row and pardoned the Major who shot up an army base, we could talk and compare how disgusting the use of pardons was by both men. But Obama let loose men and women who'd already served more time than anybody would serve for similar crimes today. Further, the backgrounds of those people were fully vetted, with a determination that they had used their decades behind bars in a good way. Arpaio is not in the same league. He furthers the idea that trump is a racist xenophobe. He brings trump closer to impeachment as those who stand with him have to stand with him despite his use of racist rhetoric.

False equivalence.
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Reading now that he did this prior to the disaster that is now Houston.
for ratings.

dear God I hope that is false news cause if he really did that and said that.
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Those who were pardoned don't have to live the lives of convicted felons, just like Arpaio. Those who has their sentence commuted do live the rest of their lives as convicted felons. Now if you don't find that to be a "practical difference" then you haven't been paying attention to the problems that convicted felons have on the outside.

Either way, it's a false equivalence. If Obama had cleared off the federal death row and pardoned the Major who shot up an army base, we could talk and compare how disgusting the use of pardons was by both men. But Obama let loose men and women who'd already served more time than anybody would serve for similar crimes today. Further, the backgrounds of those people were fully vetted, with a determination that they had used their decades behind bars in a good way. Arpaio is not in the same league. He furthers the idea that trump is a racist xenophobe. He brings trump closer to impeachment as those who stand with him have to stand with him despite his use of racist rhetoric.

False equivalence.
I stand (actually sit) corrected.
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Reading now that he did this prior to the disaster that is now Houston.
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dear God I hope that is false news cause if he really did that and said that.
What a pos
Of all the supposed fake news out there, this is very real. I saw a commentator brush it off as "it was just, you know-- something stupid he said, but...".
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WATCH: Trevor Noah Goes BALLISTIC On Donald Trump’s Pardon Of ‘Racist’ Joe Arpaio, “Arpaio Is A Racist Just Like Trump”

"With the rest of the other late-night hosts taking the week off, it was up to Trevor Noah to sum up another week in the ongoing embarrassing national nightmare that is a Donald Trump presidency.

In a segment called “Profiles in Tremendousness: Pardon Edition,” Noah gave a background of Arpaio for being anti-illegal immigration and “anti-being a decent human being” for how he ran his prisons and pointed to a report that taxpayers had to pay $142 million in legal fees."
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Legal challenge to Arpaio pardon begins

"In other words, if the president can pardon anyone who defies court orders to enforce constitutional protections, then those constitutional protections are rendered meaningless. It is a creative argument, but then, this president has created new and disturbing challenges to democratic norms."

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A lot of things in the life have gotten my panties in a twist, like this pardon of this.... ah hem......man Arpaio. However, one of the things I have learned in the life is that Karma is a beast!!
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There's a rumor that the push to have the conviction dropped (he's arguing he didn't ask for the pardon) is because he wants to run against Senator Flake. What a sorry piece of work.
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Joe Arpaio saga isn't over: Judge to decide if his conviction stands

U.S. District Court Judge Susan Bolton canceled former Sheriff Joe Arpaio's upcoming sentencing hearing for his criminal contempt-of-court conviction, telling attorneys not to file replies to motions that were pending before his recent presidential pardon.
However, Bolton on Tuesday stopped short of throwing out the conviction based solely on Arpaio's request. Instead she ordered Arpaio and the U.S. Department of Justice, which is prosecuting the case, to file briefs on why she should or shouldn't grant Arpaio's request.


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