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Old 07-10-2018, 07:32 PM
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Been dealing with pretrial release for over 2 years now. Just recently signed a plea deal for aggravated identity theft and conspiracy to commit fraud. Been reading and reading on here for months now and finally decided to make a username. Just wanted to give a big thank you to everyone on here for all the great content that helped guide me through this part of my life.

A little disappointed with the whole process, was hoping i'd be able to avoid the mandatory minimum but alas its done and signed now. Awaiting on my PSR to be returned, probation officer said at my meeting I should be able to get help for my substance abuse issues if he puts in a recommendation. I'm assuming that means I'll be likely to get RDAP? My guideline range has me at 48-54 months. I met with the prosecution on two seperate occassions as well with the feds in hopes of getting a 5k1 reduction. Since the crimes were all done by myself, they just wanted to know how exactly I was able to do it from start to finish and how they could prevent it, or catch others doing the same. My attorney said the prosecution said I was at the "threshold" for getting a 5k1. My attorney said the 5k1 is likely to get me a 20-25% reduction, plus good time credit, and rdap should knock sometime off.

Anyone have any idea if I get sentenced to the maximum 54 months, how long an estimated sentence would be? There is alot of stipulating factors to my case, so I'm not even sure if the PSR is going to be 54 months, but its better to assume the worse and hope for the best.

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Old 07-10-2018, 09:53 PM
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Welcome to Prison Talk and the federal forums. A 54 month sentence earns 211 days of good time, about 7 months. RDAP awards additional good time plus an extended time at the HWH before your new end of sentence date.

47 months minus any additional RDAP good time.
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Old 07-10-2018, 10:21 PM
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Also, even if you don't get recommended for RDAP at your sentencing, if you wind up at a camp (it sounds like based on your guidelines and crime you would be at a camp), then you could still get into RDAP anyway. My husband has told me that many guys where he is still enter RDAP, even when the judge hasn't recommended it. Recently, someone who came there about 3 months ago, that wasn't recommended by the judge, was able to enter it for a gambling addiction and will be able to qualify for a year off his sentence.

You will want to have your lawyer request you go to camps that have RDAP programs. If you don't make the request, then you can end up at a location that doesn't even have RDAP and then you are SOL.

Do you research prior to sentencing. It goes a long way.
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Also, even if you don't get recommended for RDAP at your sentencing, if you wind up at a camp (it sounds like based on your guidelines and crime you would be at a camp), then you could still get into RDAP anyway. My husband has told me that many guys where he is still enter RDAP, even when the judge hasn't recommended it. Recently, someone who came there about 3 months ago, that wasn't recommended by the judge, was able to enter it for a gambling addiction and will be able to qualify for a year off his sentence.

You will want to have your lawyer request you go to camps that have RDAP programs. If you don't make the request, then you can end up at a location that doesn't even have RDAP and then you are SOL.

Do you research prior to sentencing. It goes a long way.
Yeah my whole PSR goes indepth with my substance abuse and gambling problems. Pretty much the entire reason I'm in this situation, just terrible judgement. I'm requesting a low facility since its near my home that has RDAP, the camps are all within the 500 miles but trying to cut time down so I can see my kids more than once every few months. Gonna be a long time away and seems that you have a coin flip on whether you get the facility the judge requests for you, just hoping the coin flip goes in my favor. Appreciate the input, thank you.
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Yeah my whole PSR goes indepth with my substance abuse and gambling problems. Pretty much the entire reason I'm in this situation, just terrible judgement. I'm requesting a low facility since its near my home that has RDAP, the camps are all within the 500 miles but trying to cut time down so I can see my kids more than once every few months. Gonna be a long time away and seems that you have a coin flip on whether you get the facility the judge requests for you, just hoping the coin flip goes in my favor. Appreciate the input, thank you.
There is a big difference between a low and a Camp. If you are eligible for a camp, you should really try to get assigned to one as opposed to a low. The family piece is important however, you’re in the place for many more days than your family can visit per month and it’s more important that you’re less miserable than not. My husband is at a camp that if I drive would be 7-1/2 hours to get to. I fly to see him and we manage just fine. There is a camp closer to us but it isn’t a great facility and there were a bunch of low facilities as well even closer, but one of the most important and best pieces of advice his attorney have is that you absolutely do not want to be in a low if you don’t need to be. The camp sucks as it is. Why make things even worse? At least at a camp the worst that will happen to you is you get beat up because you don’t pay a “gambling” debt. Not the same at a low. Camps are basically white collar and drug felons only.
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Old 07-11-2018, 07:02 AM
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In the bop, a low security FCI is a real prison, and some of the ones I was in were far worse situations than I had in Medium security prisons.
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Didn't FAMM's big study of educational programming turn up lots of stories of people who requested transfers from camps to FCIs because it was the only way to get any education or training?
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In the bop, a low security FCI is a real prison, and some of the ones I was in were far worse situations than I had in Medium security prisons.
Seems my attorney thinks its no issue. Hell she said i'd be fine in a low, I was pretty set in just accepting my punishment and going there if it meant I could see my kids more. Now i'm second guessing it. Coleman LOW FCI is what I was going to request, camp options within a 500 mile radius from my home are FCI Miami, and FPC Pensacola. My only real question is, is a low dangerous? or is it just full of more people to stay away from. From what I've read just seems like bootcamp just around felons. Is it harder to keep to yourself versus a camp? It seems like there is more to do at a low versus a camp as well which you'd think would be the opposite.
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Your attorney may be correct that you will make it through a sentence in a FCI Low without serious problems, many people do. However the differences between the security precautions for the prisoners in a camp versus a FCI are massive.

Do whatever you think is best for you, but be sure to read the entire 62 page Coleman prison forum before you do.
http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/sho...251263&page=62

and the 3 page thread about Coleman lockdowns. That prison complex is notorious for long lockdowns, usually caused by violence.
http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=689536

FCI Miami is also a prison with frequent issues that negatively affect the prisoner's quality of life. Be careful about what you volunteer for in the bop.
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Pensacola is supposed to be the best of all the camps!! It’s also very easy for your attorney to say you’ll have no problem with a low when she isn’t the one going! I hate when people say that crap. One requirement for attorneys and judges should be to have to stay in a prison for 30 days and then they can make a stupid ass comment like that!! People get beat up even at the camps but relative to the low it’s nothing! A camp is like a bad overnight Camp. You can research about both Pensacola and Coleman on here as well as well as find people who have been at both prisons and ask a million questions! That’s what we did when picking a Camp.
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Good luck!!! When you get down just remember they can lock you up but they can’t take your soul. They can’t stop time, Every day will be a day closer to coming home.
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Sounds like you may be from Central or North Fla. If you are..
Seems like most people who are sentenced in the middle or northern district and eligible for camp are sent to Jessup. If I had to guess that is where you will be designated. Of course, who knows, its up to the BOP but, if I had to place odds on it that is where you will go.
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Pensacola is supposed to be the best of all the camps!! Itís also very easy for your attorney to say youíll have no problem with a low when she isnít the one going! I hate when people say that crap. One requirement for attorneys and judges should be to have to stay in a prison for 30 days and then they can make a stupid ass comment like that!! People get beat up even at the camps but relative to the low itís nothing! A camp is like a bad overnight Camp. You can research about both Pensacola and Coleman on here as well as well as find people who have been at both prisons and ask a million questions! Thatís what we did when picking a Camp.
Yeah time for me to make a better decision, just read through pages of that coleman prison thread. What a nightmare, won't even be worth being closer for family if the place is on lockdown all the time. Thanks for the advice.
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Yeah time for me to make a better decision, just read through pages of that coleman prison thread. What a nightmare, won't even be worth being closer for family if the place is on lockdown all the time. Thanks for the advice.
I sent you a private message this morning, and this was before you mentioned the two locations.

I can tell you a lot more about some of the differences if you would like.

Family is important, but realistically, if you are going to be there for awhile, you need to want to know what is the best way to get through a crappy situation in the easiest manner possible. Your attorney can request a couple of prisons, so you can request pensacola as your first choice and another camp as your second, even if pensacola is further from you. That is what we did. The camp closest to us is actually Oxford, but Oxford is connected to a higher level facility and that was something our attorney advised against. Thus his first choice was Duluth, MN and second choice was Yankton, SD. Our lawyer also told us that for a camp, Oxford was very stripped down. Other prisoners my husband has met that spent time at Oxford also told us the same. My husband teaches classes, has plenty of options of classes (self interest) to take, and is a GED teacher as well. He has figured out the best way to make the best out of a bad situation. He is also hoping to get into a class on the Criminal Justice system with the local college in August as the CO of Education recommended he sign up for it. It has been very easy for him to stay out of trouble, but there is trouble everywhere there, and much more at a low. Guys at a camp are guys with less than 10 years on a sentence and close to being on their way out, and less likely to screw things up, although when they do, they go to the SHU or to the higher (a LOW) facility. No one wants to end up there.

You should also check the visiting situations at the different facilities. We can visit any federal holiday and Sat-Mon. Some places only allow every other weekend based on your inmate number. Also, a lot of lows have many lockdowns and when that is the case, there is no visiting. Same if the camp is adjacent to a low. A free standing camp, is not affected by those rules, even when on a recall (lockdown) they do not cancel visiting.

I know there are a few people on here who had spouses at Pensacola, so perhaps you can connect with them. It's not cakewalk, but relative to a Low, it is.

You should ask your attorney if she can recommend former clients who are willing to talk to you that were at the low facilities and at the camp, as well as asking her based on what information she has that she thinks a low is "fine". My husband switched attorneys after he decided to take a plea to a sentencing specialist, and neither this lawyer nor his first lawyer, who was a heavy hitter trial lawyer, ever considered for a second telling him that a Low was something he would be ok at. Both said, you 100% want a camp. His guidelines were 57-71 months and the expectation was that he would get 3-4 years. His ultimate sentence was 18 months, but in no scenario was it ever anticipated he would've ended up at a Low and they never would've told him "you'll be fine".

He too would like to keep to himself at the camp, but even there it is not as easy as he would like, but easier than it would be in another situation, because everyone wants to know your business.
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Coleman and Miami are such big facilities. One client with a relatively long sentence preferred the low in Miami because he was able to get a job on the base and had unlimited access to phone, gym, etc. He felt Camp was boring. FCI Coleman has been a mess over the past couple of years. But I've had female clients in there who were able to drive in town as a job within the first six months and got furloughs. And as rockchalk says, Pensacola is considered a premium location because of size and amenities, including pretty good medical. All in all, if you have kids and want to make it convenient and as easy as possible, then ask for the closest facility, especially if they can make a visit as a 1 day trip.
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