Welcome to the Prison Talk Online Community! Take a Minute and Sign Up Today!






Go Back   Prison Talk > U.S. REGIONAL FORUMS > CALIFORNIA > CDCR - What You Need to Know > California Prison Phones, Packages & Mail
Register Entertainment FAQ Calendar Mark Forums Read

California Prison Phones, Packages & Mail Use this forum to discuss California prison Phones, Packages & Mail issues & topics. If you have a question about or want to discuss these issues in a specific facility, please visit that facility's subforum in the California forum.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-08-2018, 12:50 PM
miamac's Avatar
miamac miamac is offline
Site Moderator Gone Mad

Staff Superstar Winner PTO Site Moderator 

 

Join Date: May 2013
Location: ORnativeAZresCAtied
Posts: 9,946
Thanks: 13,073
Thanked 19,023 Times in 6,847 Posts
Default CDCR List of Banned Books, 2018

If you plan to send your loved one a guide on drawing, might want to check this list first. Also, what do they have against the Nahautl language?
Attached Files
File Type: pdf 2018 CDCR Centralized List 20180803.pdf (479.5 KB, 43 views)
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to miamac For This Useful Post:
ALWAYS HERE 4 M (08-08-2018), gvalliant (08-08-2018), qwerty (08-09-2018)
Sponsored Links
  #2  
Old 08-08-2018, 02:07 PM
ALWAYS HERE 4 M's Avatar
ALWAYS HERE 4 M ALWAYS HERE 4 M is offline
Still loving my hubby...
 

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: California, USA
Posts: 4,800
Thanks: 1,969
Thanked 1,654 Times in 1,195 Posts
Default

From what I have heard gangs were using the Nahautl language to facilitate gang activity.
__________________


Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to ALWAYS HERE 4 M For This Useful Post:
miamac (08-08-2018)
  #3  
Old 08-08-2018, 02:42 PM
miamac's Avatar
miamac miamac is offline
Site Moderator Gone Mad

Staff Superstar Winner PTO Site Moderator 

 

Join Date: May 2013
Location: ORnativeAZresCAtied
Posts: 9,946
Thanks: 13,073
Thanked 19,023 Times in 6,847 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ALWAYS HERE 4 M View Post
From what I have heard gangs were using the Nahautl language to facilitate gang activity.
Over a million people speak Nahuatl in our neighboring country, a lot of "Spanish" words are, or are derived from, Nahuatl. Maybe staff need to start brushing up on their foreign language skills. lol

Ahhh, I know I know. One bad apples ruins the bunch, right?
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to miamac For This Useful Post:
ALWAYS HERE 4 M (08-09-2018), Fridyrr.Likn (08-09-2018), Sunnielg (08-08-2018)
  #4  
Old 08-08-2018, 04:12 PM
safran's Avatar
safran safran is offline
Owned
 

Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Azkaban
Posts: 3,188
Thanks: 1,269
Thanked 3,981 Times in 1,825 Posts
Default

I am an avid reader and don't generally favor banning books, but many of those titles seem at least 1/2 reasonable when it comes to keeping them out of prisons.

Years ago I read the banned book list of Texas DoC and now not only do I plan to never commit a crime in Texas I am not even sure if I want drive through Texas to get someplace else!

1/2 my favorite mystery authors were banned.
__________________
Owned
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to safran For This Useful Post:
miamac (08-08-2018)
  #5  
Old 08-08-2018, 04:57 PM
Minor activist Minor activist is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: WA USA
Posts: 1,632
Thanks: 1,034
Thanked 1,454 Times in 797 Posts
Default

Dante's Inferno.
Guns, Germs, and Steel.

Yes, a lot of the bans did make sense, but come on.
__________________
I'm collecting Best of PTO posts and quotes in my blog here.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-08-2018, 05:04 PM
miamac's Avatar
miamac miamac is offline
Site Moderator Gone Mad

Staff Superstar Winner PTO Site Moderator 

 

Join Date: May 2013
Location: ORnativeAZresCAtied
Posts: 9,946
Thanks: 13,073
Thanked 19,023 Times in 6,847 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by safran View Post
I am an avid reader and don't generally favor banning books, but many of those titles seem at least 1/2 reasonable when it comes to keeping them out of prisons.
Definitely! Most seemed common sense (gang, crime, survival and fighting skills), though it made me sad to see so many related to classical art. I'm sure it's nudity, which is kind of sad, but it's not something that can be subjective. If you allow Titian's Venus of Urbino, you can't then turn around and say no to a May issue of "Full Cups".

Actually, what caught my eye was Mandela's A Prisoner in the Garden. I haven't read it but I know it's highly acclaimed and held as one of the most universal books on humanity and perseverance of the soul. Take Game of Thrones, fine. But Nelson Mandela?

Last edited by miamac; 08-08-2018 at 05:06 PM..
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to miamac For This Useful Post:
qwerty (08-09-2018)
  #7  
Old 08-08-2018, 08:33 PM
gvalliant gvalliant is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Costa Mesa, California, USA
Posts: 603
Thanks: 1,091
Thanked 1,220 Times in 504 Posts
Default

It's good to have this list so I know what CDCR will reject. Interesting, I've gotten all the Game of Thrones books to my son. I guess no more. He's been waiting patiently for the next volume which is more than a year overdue.

Apparently they have been screened out in accordance with CCR Section 3134.1 of Title 15. Terrific. Probably represents 0.00000001% of books written over time. What do they do - hire a bunch of people to sit around reading books all day to see if they can find something that violate their rules? It is inconceivable that they could ever even possibly tickle the universe of books that could be sent which are in violation.

Whatever turns their crank. I think it is absurd and a waste of time and resources.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to gvalliant For This Useful Post:
miamac (08-08-2018), qwerty (08-09-2018)
  #8  
Old 08-08-2018, 08:41 PM
miamac's Avatar
miamac miamac is offline
Site Moderator Gone Mad

Staff Superstar Winner PTO Site Moderator 

 

Join Date: May 2013
Location: ORnativeAZresCAtied
Posts: 9,946
Thanks: 13,073
Thanked 19,023 Times in 6,847 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gvalliant View Post
What do they do - hire a bunch of people to sit around reading books all day to see if they can find something that violate their rules? It is inconceivable that they could ever even possibly tickle the universe of books that could be sent which are in violation.
I wondered that, too. I can see how obvious screening occurs-- flip through for nudity or violent images, check the subject matter. But to sit down and read a book and note the pages that are the reason for the ban? Who's job is this?
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to miamac For This Useful Post:
ALWAYS HERE 4 M (08-09-2018), qwerty (08-09-2018)
  #9  
Old 08-09-2018, 08:18 AM
ALWAYS HERE 4 M's Avatar
ALWAYS HERE 4 M ALWAYS HERE 4 M is offline
Still loving my hubby...
 

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: California, USA
Posts: 4,800
Thanks: 1,969
Thanked 1,654 Times in 1,195 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by miamac View Post
Over a million people speak Nahuatl in our neighboring country, a lot of "Spanish" words are, or are derived from, Nahuatl. Maybe staff need to start brushing up on their foreign language skills. lol

Ahhh, I know I know. One bad apples ruins the bunch, right?
Agreed! And yup thats what they say!
__________________


Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-09-2018, 03:05 PM
qwerty's Avatar
qwerty qwerty is offline
Holdin' on for dear life
Donation Award 
 

Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: California, USA
Posts: 5,274
Thanks: 486
Thanked 334 Times in 172 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by miamac View Post
If you plan to send your loved one a guide on drawing, might want to check this list first.
Where does this document come from?
__________________



Let's give 'em something to talk about!

Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 08-09-2018, 03:23 PM
Fridyrr.Likn's Avatar
Fridyrr.Likn Fridyrr.Likn is offline
Heathen Moderator

PTO Moderator 

 

Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Casa Grande, AZ
Posts: 3,185
Thanks: 8,658
Thanked 3,977 Times in 1,742 Posts
Default

What a long and bizarre list. Who would know there's that many people in prison interested in FAERIES/FAIRIES....

Anyway, much of the list isn't surprising but there's a lot I'm surprised ISN'T on there that IS banned in AZ....Might Is Right, Mein Kampf, there's only one of George Lincoln Rockwell books there, they are worried about Nahautl but not about any other foreign language? So weird how they decide such things.
__________________
KENDRA
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Fridyrr.Likn For This Useful Post:
miamac (08-09-2018), sidewalker (08-10-2018)
  #12  
Old 08-09-2018, 03:46 PM
Dakini's Avatar
Dakini Dakini is offline
TheBee'sKnees
Donation Award 
 

Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: United States of America
Posts: 1,694
Thanks: 1,255
Thanked 3,715 Times in 1,115 Posts
Default

Be Here Now by Ram Daas?
One would think they’d want a little more Zen on the inside.
__________________
Buy the ticket, take the ride. ~ Hunter S. Thompson
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Dakini For This Useful Post:
Fridyrr.Likn (08-09-2018), miamac (08-09-2018)
  #13  
Old 08-09-2018, 03:47 PM
Fridyrr.Likn's Avatar
Fridyrr.Likn Fridyrr.Likn is offline
Heathen Moderator

PTO Moderator 

 

Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Casa Grande, AZ
Posts: 3,185
Thanks: 8,658
Thanked 3,977 Times in 1,742 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dakini View Post
Be Here Now by Ram Daas?
One would think they’d want a little more Zen on the inside.
There were several books I saw that seemed like they would be GOOD for inmates to read. Gods forbid they be enlightened or learn something...
__________________
KENDRA
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Fridyrr.Likn For This Useful Post:
miamac (08-09-2018)
  #14  
Old 08-09-2018, 03:55 PM
miamac's Avatar
miamac miamac is offline
Site Moderator Gone Mad

Staff Superstar Winner PTO Site Moderator 

 

Join Date: May 2013
Location: ORnativeAZresCAtied
Posts: 9,946
Thanks: 13,073
Thanked 19,023 Times in 6,847 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by qwerty View Post
Where does this document come from?
I got it from an IFC page, but when I went back to link to it, the link is broken. It said it was updated August 3, 2018. If I find another link, I'll post it.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to miamac For This Useful Post:
qwerty (08-11-2018)
  #15  
Old 08-09-2018, 06:17 PM
FML FML is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: CA, USA
Posts: 29
Thanks: 54
Thanked 36 Times in 15 Posts
Default

Is there a list like this for federal prison?
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 08-09-2018, 06:56 PM
Minor activist Minor activist is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: WA USA
Posts: 1,632
Thanks: 1,034
Thanked 1,454 Times in 797 Posts
Default

No, but I found this when I went to look for it. It’s a list of other states’s rules, so I’ll post it here and in the general mail sub-forum, and let the moderators decide which to delete.
http://www.bookstoprisoners.net/banned-book-lists/
Quote:
Arizona
In 2015, the ACLU obtained documents from the Arizona prison system that detailed hundreds of publication reviews. Some of their findings are collected*here. Books that have been banned include atlases, books on drawing, and mythology books.
Take this fun quiz*to find out a few of the books that Arizona has banned over the year.

Connecticut
A copy of Connecticut’s banned books list from 2013 can be read*here. Bans include individual issues of*The*New Yorker, Adbusters,*and*Prison Legal News. She’s Come Undone –*a book selected for Oprah’s Book Club – was initially banned before media attention reversed the decision

North Carolina
Received from a prisoner, we have a scanned copy of the banned books list for the state of*North Carolina*(updated in 2015). Read it*here. Some highlights include:
591 banned titles
22 banned publishers
Banned titles like*The New Jim Crow*(Michelle Alexander),*The Art of War*(Sun Tzu), and all dictionaries.

Pennsylvania
The complete banned books list for Pennsylvania can be read*here. It is updated quarterly.
All Dungeons & Dragons and Pathfinder RPG manuals are denied (reason: “writings which advocate violence, insurrection, or guerrilla warfare against the government or any of its facilities or which create a danger within the context of the correctional facility”)
Magic: The Gathering, Rifts: Book of Magic, Warhammer 40K, and World of Warcraft materials are also banned.

Texas
Read the report on banned books in Texas, compiled by the Texas Civil Rights Project,*here. 11,851 titles were banned in Texas by 2012. Newer sources suggest that the list may have exceeded 15,000 titles by 2016. Bans include figure drawing books, John Grisham novels, and books about the history of the Civil Rights Movement. Materials that have been banned for containing “codes” include books on Wicca.

Virginia
Read a partial list of banned books in Virginia from 2001, as reported by the Schilling Show,*here. Banned authors include Louis L’Amour, James Patterson, and John Grisham. As of 2015, Virginia still maintains a banned books list for use at all facilities. No copy has been made available online, but guidelines for inclusion can be found*here.

Washington state
A frequently updated pdf of restricted publication can be found on the WA DOC site,*here. It notably includes nonfiction books such as*Trans Bodies, Trans Selves*and*The Dark Net.


__________________
I'm collecting Best of PTO posts and quotes in my blog here.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Minor activist For This Useful Post:
FML (08-10-2018)
  #17  
Old 08-09-2018, 07:38 PM
miamac's Avatar
miamac miamac is offline
Site Moderator Gone Mad

Staff Superstar Winner PTO Site Moderator 

 

Join Date: May 2013
Location: ORnativeAZresCAtied
Posts: 9,946
Thanks: 13,073
Thanked 19,023 Times in 6,847 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Minor activist View Post
No, but I found this when I went to look for it. It’s a list of other states’s rules, so I’ll post it here and in the general mail sub-forum, and let the moderators decide which to delete.
http://www.bookstoprisoners.net/banned-book-lists/

Ugghhh, why is The New Jim Crow on ANY list of banned books? I mean, I can guess the answer, but holy hell...
Oppression through deprivation is-- I just can't believe how low we continue to sink.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to miamac For This Useful Post:
qwerty (08-11-2018)
  #18  
Old 08-09-2018, 10:20 PM
Minor activist Minor activist is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: WA USA
Posts: 1,632
Thanks: 1,034
Thanked 1,454 Times in 797 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by miamac View Post
Ugghhh, why is The New Jim Crow on ANY list of banned books? I mean, I can guess the answer, but holy hell...
Oppression through deprivation is-- I just can't believe how low we continue to sink.
Like North Carolina banning dictionaries, and Kentucky Correctional Institution for Women making tutoring sessions a disciplinary infraction.
__________________
I'm collecting Best of PTO posts and quotes in my blog here.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Minor activist For This Useful Post:
miamac (08-10-2018)
  #19  
Old 08-10-2018, 03:04 AM
FML FML is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: CA, USA
Posts: 29
Thanks: 54
Thanked 36 Times in 15 Posts
Default

Besides all the sexual stuff, there's some pretty good books in there. I had 12 Rules for Life by Jordan Peterson on my list already, hopefully Sheridan will let me have it. Here's a list of books I picked out on Amazon and gonna give to my family members in case they feel like sending me something:

Emotional Intelligence 2.0
by Travis Bradberry

The Power of Now: A Guide to Spiritual Enlightenment
by Eckhart Tolle

Man's Search for Meaning
by Viktor E. Frankl, William J. Winslade

Parenting from a Distance: Your Rights and Responsibilities
by Janet D. Walker

Overcoming Emotions that Destroy: Practical Help for Those Angry Feelings That Ruin Relationships
by Chip Ingram, Becca Johnson

The Six Pillars of Self-Esteem: The Definitive Work on Self-Esteem by the Leading Pioneer in the Field
by Nathaniel Branden

The Power of Time Perception: Control the Speed of Time to Make Every Second Count (Time Life Series)
by Jean Paul Zogby

Being Mortal: Medicine and What Matters in the End
by Atul Gawande

Emotional Intelligence: Why It Can Matter More Than IQ
by Daniel Goleman

David and Goliath: Underdogs, Misfits, and the Art of Battling Giants
by Malcolm Gladwell

The Alchemist
by Paulo Coelho

Evicted: Poverty and Profit in the American City
by Matthew Desmond

Factfulness: Ten Reasons We're Wrong About the World - and Why Things Are Better Than You Think

The Gifts of Imperfection: Let Go of Who You Think You're Supposed to Be and Embrace Who You Are
by Brené Brown

Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind
by Yuval Noah Harari

The Power of Habit: Why We Do What We Do in Life and Business
by Charles Duhigg

The Tipping Point: How Little Things Can Make a Big Difference
by Malcolm Gladwell

Mindfulness: An Eight-Week Plan for Finding Peace in a Frantic World
by Mark Williams, Danny Penman

Blink: The Power of Thinking Without Thinking
by Malcolm Gladwell

As a Man Thinketh: 21st Century Edition (The Wisdom of James Allen)
by Sam Torode, James Allen

The Undefeated Mind: On the Science of Constructing an Indestructible Self
by Alex Lickerman

A Short History of Nearly Everything
by Bill Bryson

12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos
by Jordan B. Peterson

Crucial Conversations Tools for Talking When Stakes Are High, Second Edition
by Kerry Patterson, Joseph Grenny

The Five Dysfunctions of a Team: A Leadership Fable
by Patrick Lencioni

Outliers: The Story of Success
by Malcolm Gladwell

Principles: Life and Work
by Ray Dalio

The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People: Powerful Lessons in Personal Change
by Stephen R. Covey

The Personal MBA: Master the Art of Business
by Josh Kaufman

Mindset: The New Psychology of Success
by Carol S. Dweck

Hooked: How to Build Habit-Forming Products
by Nir Eyal, Ryan Hoover

Freakonomics: A Rogue Economist Explores the Hidden Side of Everything
by Steven D. Levitt, Stephen J Dubner

There's a bunch of other fictional stories, puzzle books, workout training guides, and reference books in-between, but those seem niche to what I prefer and the ones above are just self-help books I thought might interest some people in helping change or strengthen themselves with all the time we'll have in there.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 08-10-2018, 11:32 AM
miamac's Avatar
miamac miamac is offline
Site Moderator Gone Mad

Staff Superstar Winner PTO Site Moderator 

 

Join Date: May 2013
Location: ORnativeAZresCAtied
Posts: 9,946
Thanks: 13,073
Thanked 19,023 Times in 6,847 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FML View Post
The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho
One my favorites. The Four Agreements by Ruiz is another I would recommend.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 08-10-2018, 12:22 PM
Minor activist Minor activist is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: WA USA
Posts: 1,632
Thanks: 1,034
Thanked 1,454 Times in 797 Posts
Default

Oh yes. Simple, difficult, powerful.
__________________
I'm collecting Best of PTO posts and quotes in my blog here.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Minor activist For This Useful Post:
miamac (08-10-2018)
  #22  
Old 08-10-2018, 12:37 PM
gta5518 gta5518 is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: PA - US
Posts: 24
Thanks: 6
Thanked 43 Times in 18 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gvalliant View Post
It's good to have this list so I know what CDCR will reject. Interesting, I've gotten all the Game of Thrones books to my son. I guess no more. He's been waiting patiently for the next volume which is more than a year overdue.

If I read the list correctly, it is the graphic novels specifically, not the actual novels. I read them and loved them, I am huge into Epic Fantasy series, but I gave up on waiting!

Does he read other series? My favorite is 15 gigantic books long and fully completed!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to gta5518 For This Useful Post:
gvalliant (08-10-2018)
  #23  
Old 08-10-2018, 01:23 PM
gvalliant gvalliant is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Costa Mesa, California, USA
Posts: 603
Thanks: 1,091
Thanked 1,220 Times in 504 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gta5518 View Post
If I read the list correctly, it is the graphic novels specifically, not the actual novels. I read them and loved them, I am huge into Epic Fantasy series, but I gave up on waiting!

Does he read other series? My favorite is 15 gigantic books long and fully completed!
Thank you for catching that subtlety. I sent the books, not the graphic novels a little over a year ago. All got through except volume 2 which was returned. Titled "A Clash of Kings". That one book title is on the excluded list. Explains why it was sent back which I could not understand when it happened. If next book in series does get released, should be OK to send.

The entire Dark Tower series sent some time ago. Anything Stephen King always works for him. Other series, but not other fantasy series - Bourne series by Ludlum and Van Lustbader, Pendergrast series by Preston and Child, Reacher series by Lincoln Child. Some self help books but mostly fiction and fun books. I don't kid myself thinking he'll spend all his time reading dry psychology books.

Reading is a good thing to burn hours in there. Other states likely have different rules, he told me CDCR only only allows him to have something like 7 or 10 books at one time. I suppose that is not such a bad rule. He has donated a lot to prison library or his buddies in other cells.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 08-10-2018, 01:27 PM
gta5518 gta5518 is offline
Registered User
 

Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: PA - US
Posts: 24
Thanks: 6
Thanked 43 Times in 18 Posts
Default

I was actually curious if those books were on the list, so I looked for them specifically. They can get pretty graphic and I wasn't sure how much they allowed in.

I was sending my son's father the Wheel of Time books. He at least said he was reading them. haha. I loved them so much that I go to a convention every year devoted to that series. If you're interested, it is written by Robert Jordan. The first book is "The Eye of the World."

The author sadly died before finishing the series, but they hired a fantastic author, Brandon Sanderson, to finish that has now become one of my favorites.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to gta5518 For This Useful Post:
gvalliant (08-10-2018)
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Is there a list of Banned Books in Florida? Leivah Florida General Prison Talk, Introductions & Chit Chat 3 09-15-2016 01:20 PM
List of banned books / magazines in Virginia Prisons! KevsWife7 Virginia Prison & Jail Visitation, Phones, Packages & Mail 10 11-20-2013 01:27 PM
TDC master list of banned books? Looks like no such animal. katydidsbro Texas Prison and Jail Visitation, Phones, Packages & Mail 1 11-02-2008 08:02 PM
List of banned books for inmates in TDCJ zagava1 Texas Prison and Jail Visitation, Phones, Packages & Mail 4 08-14-2006 10:51 PM
Link to list of CDCR staff assaults list 2003-1/05 Crstnamre CDCR - What You Need to Know 1 10-08-2005 01:34 AM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:15 PM.
Copyright © 2001- 2017 Prison Talk Online
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Website Design & Custom vBulletin Skins by: Relivo Media
Message Board Statistics