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Old 12-17-2004, 03:09 PM
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Default Death penalty doesn't work in America (contraversial)

This article is so contraversial, it makes me
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Death penalty doesn't work in America

Chris Elliott, Seacoast Online

Scott Peterson has been sentenced to death. By death I
mean years of
appeals, free legal advice, and disruptive exposure
for the victim's
family. By death I mean a 10-year poker game with the
courts and the
public. By death I mean food, daily exercise, and
smuggled sex and drugs
in a California prison. By death I mean life.

Death indeed. Scott Peterson's death sentence doesn't
mean death the way
death sentences used to mean death. Many of death
row's class of 1990 are
just now fulfilling the obligations of their sentence.


These days, a death sentence is merely a signal for
the appeals phase of a
murder trial to begin. For Peterson, it means that his
legal team will now
begin presenting a litany of challenges to every
detail of the court's
findings, at least to create a gadfly effect,
regardless of whether it
actually stumbles over any questionable elements of
procedure.

Whatever happened to the good old days of the gallows?
When guilty men
were hanged at noon? In most cultures, once there is
tribunal agreement
for the death penalty, not more than a day or two
passes before the
individual is dispatched into the ever after.

France abolished its death penalty in 1981 under
Francois Mitterrand, a
real blow for capital-punishment fans. Say what you
will about current
French and U.S. relations, they are a culture that
once upon a time really
knew how to get into into its death penalty. Remember
the guillotine?

In my opinion, if we are going to have a death penalty
in this country, we
should give it some gravitas. I say let's go
18th-century French on these
murderers and rapists and retire lethal injection
forever. The trifecta of
poisons in modern lethal injection is so Nancy-boy
that the first
injection is actually an anesthetic, sodium pentathol.
What kind of
message does that send? "We're killing you but we hope
it doesn't hurt."

The sodium pentathol is delivered in massive quantity,
close to five grams
sometimes, in itself a potentially lethal dose.
According to an Amnesty
International report, sodium pentathol reaches
effective clinical
concentrations in the brain within 30 seconds. In
other words, in half a
minute you're on the mother of all nods. At that
point, they could take
you apart with a chain saw and you wouldn't feel a
thing.

A saline solution then flushes the intravenous line,
and pancuronium
bromide is introduced, an agent that paralyzes the
diaphragm and lungs,
causing the patient to stop breathing. A saline
solution flushes the
intravenous line again because we all know how
annoying it is to get your
pancuronium bromide mixed in with your sodium
pentathol. Finally, the
toxic agent potassium chloride is introduced in lethal
doses, interrupting
the electrical signaling that is critical to heart
function, thereby
causing cardiac arrest.

I say bring back the guillotine. Or maybe tie these
killers' hands behind
their backs, put a pillowcase on their heads and let a
bunch of Irish and
Italian kids from Boston finish them off with chains
and bats. If we as a
society want Peterson dead, let's have the courage of
our convictions and
allow him the same deference he meted out to his wife
and child. Sudden
violent death. But we won't. We won't kill him, we'll
just give him the
death penalty, because it makes us feel like we killed
him, without us
really having to do it.

That is why the death penalty doesn't work in America.
The death penalty
doesn't work because it doesn't mean death, and judges
and juries invoke
it knowing that it doesn't mean death. This distorts
the term and cheapens
its currency, making a word that should mean
everything mean nothing.

I'm a word guy. And in my opinion, the word death
should be just that.
Death. The cessation of life. Brain inactivity.
Absence of cardiac
function. No longer being hot for Amanda Peet. I think
that if a society
is so sure about committing a person to death, it
should commit that
person to death.

The reason neighborhood urban justice in all of the
great 20th-century
cities worked so well was because it was swift and
definitive. If you
strayed from the code of the street, you were punished
a degree or two
more harshly than one might think appropriate for the
particular
infraction. It was consistently that, so nobody wanted
to screw up, ever,
at any level. And if embezzling from the mob got a
fellow killed, it
usually happened the day it was found out and
everybody knew that he had
it coming to him. American society pussyfoots with its
death penalty, and
that's the worst thing it can do. We participate in an
immoral act, and
glean no deterrent benefit from it. It's the worst of
both worlds.

Peterson thinks he has enough chips on the table to
delay the needle, and
he's probably right. This will be prosecuted
California-style with all of
the coddling a killer of a woman and a child deserves.
There will be
tented eyebrows and boohooing over the poor
misunderstood philandering
baby killer. Susan Sarandon will petition the courts
to commute the
sentence to life imprisonment so she'll have more time
to negotiate the
movie rights.

My solution is to lead the condemned prisoner from the
courtroom to the
town square where he will be guillotined immediately.
If the public can't
stomach that, then there shouldn't be a death penalty
in the first place.
America's attitude toward the death penalty is like a
meat-eater who
protests hunting. If you are willing to condone
something, you should also
be willing to look frankly at the reality of it. If
you are squeamish
about a severed head tumbling into a straw basket, or
if it would bother
you to know that in one out of 50 cases the
executioner will have gotten
it wrong, maybe you really don't believe in the death
penalty after all. I
think it's an inane, expensive, ineffective
punishment, and an unabashed
admission of failure and acceptance of the end of
social contract.

As long as we have the death penalty though, we ought
make it mean
something. I look at the death penalty the way I look
at Roe v. Wade; it's
a pretty screwed-up idea but it sure comes in handy
once in a while. The
difference is that as a society we use Roe v. Wade to
its fullest
potential. We haven't even scratched the surface of
the things we could be
doing with the death penalty.
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Im simply disconcerted!

What went just wrong in the life of this man who wrote those words that are so filled with hatred...

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Old 12-17-2004, 03:39 PM
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it sure makes me upset to read this article and speechless :shake: i think i need to let it go down before i can say ANYTHING to it but i so totally do NOT agree with what i read ... yes it takes time to get exectued but how about all those wrongfully convicted that are on death row and after years of appeals finally prove their innocence? so far there has been 117 freed and for some reason most of us dont think about that ... all we worry about is to execute them "TOMORROW" so how aweful would we feel if the day after we find the lil piece to the puzzle that shows that there has been some mistakes made and that we exectued the wrong person ... never forget the families of the "criminal" turn into vitims also and what kind of revenge does a mother has that lost her innocent child in the death chamber? a formal apology from the goverment? and what about those guys that lost years on the row, treated like animals, fighting for their lives ... most of them dont even get an apology and will have to fight for the rest of their life to maintain a "normal" life and deal with the wounds that has been done to the by the wrongful conviction! in my eyes we should overthink the entire death penalty and be more careful what case we apply it to ... way too many end up on the row and you better watch out cuz you just might be next by the way things are going ... try not to be at the wrong place at the wrong time otherwise things you point your fingers at might become your way of living!!!
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Old 12-17-2004, 03:43 PM
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I read about halfway through and had to stop- this is deeply disturbing.
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Maybe I got a different take on this then you all... but it seems to me he is saying if you are going to do it do it right or not at all! I think that is a good thing... If you are going to believe in the DP go all or nothing--- maybe if we push this less people would believe in it!
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Old 12-17-2004, 03:50 PM
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It is disturbing to think that people have these train of thoughts on the death penalty. The anger inside of them speaks for themselves, talking about the death and state murder of another human life. It is something I will never understand to be honest.
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I, like others, could not read all the way through this. It is very distrubing.
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Sorry Kyla...I found the post too offensive and disturbing to take seriously, read carefully or respond to.
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I think the key here is education.

I will admit that at one time I wondered and thought some of the same things as this man. I had a friend whos mom was killed when we were kids. Her killer is still on DR. I often wondered why dont they save the state money and get rid of him and others alike. I wanted to know what took so long to execute.

It wasnt until I joined PTO that I changed my mind about the DP all the way. For more then one reason I am now not only educated, but against DP. As sad as it may sound there are a lot more in this world that feel the same as the person writing this article.
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Old 12-17-2004, 04:24 PM
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When I posted this, I really didnt mean for people to take offense, I totally disagreed with it all as well. The reason I posted it, was more from my disagreement and disgust. It bothered me that people think this way, that the sentence gets handed down and carried out. I agree with what Nasty_boo said, that what about there appeals, people have been found innocent, I have a loved one on Texas death row, that is going for a new sentencing trial, because the courts have said, the death penalty was a questionable sentence with the crime commited. In some parts of the world (China) they do this, and I personally find it disturbing. I by know means meant to offend anyone with this article.
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Gracious Kyla

I knew that! I didn't mean to imply that you were offending anyone!
I have enormous respect for you and your posts.....just felt like the topic was one I should normally respond to but in this case was at a loss for words and couldn't.
It was not you that offended me!
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This person should be thoroughly examined by a licensed psychiatrist and given the appropriate treatment for whatever brain disorder said psychiatrist deems to be the cause of his ridiculous notions and severe aggression. Excuse me, as reading this has made me queasy.
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LMAO !!!! Wow...what a pile of smelly poo It is a bit much. I think this article would have upset me more if I didn't completely write the guy off....His tone and attitude is set in his first sentence...

This is what it screams to me: "Hello look at me everybody I'm a great writer...errrr ummm...okay I'm not really but I need everybody to pay attention to me...if I can't do it with my words...I will be a sensationalist and write something so nasty and controversial that people will have to take note of me...yeah that's it....and then maybe finally I will get my dream job at the tabloid paper !!!!!"

My answer to him would be "I'm a word girl. And in my opinion, you are an ignoramus"
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Kyla, I'm glad that you posted this article. I couldn't read the entire thing though. I couldn't believe the author would say these things.
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