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Old 05-15-2008, 08:58 AM
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Hello everyone. My boyfriend has been in the Pelican Bay SHU for the last 19 years. Two months ago he decided to make the move and dropped out of his gang. I understand that the debriefing process can take up to a year but we talk often about Mule Creek as being the best place for him to go. I have done some research and have found that there are also many PC gangs. Does anyone here know how active those gangs really are, and if they are in Mule Creek as well?

I ask because I know my b/f was attracted/then addicted to the gang for the power, control, status etc. I would hate to see him tempted with the same after all the work we have been doing to get him out of Pelican Bay. Is there another prison we should be looking at that may be "less active"?

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i think pc gangs are wierd because they kinda wanted to get awayn from all that
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2-5 is a a gang on most SNY yards in Cali now. There were active when I was down at LAC, and at Salinas 6-8 years ago. They also migrated when they shut down the LAC yard after the COunty riots to Pleasant Valley and Avenal. People I knew from the 2 5 gang went there. But its not like any mainline gang. They are not racial really. I sat in a gym where a Surreno dropout, a Norteno dropout, an Other, a BGF dropout, and a white dude all played cards. The guard at the podium during phone sign-ups remarked that this was cool as it showed why PC worked and the races got along. What he didn't know is they were the clique organizing high-dollar contraband trade. Its all about money on SNY, not race or all the old mainline stuff. They even used sex offenders, not as members, but as mules or to do admin work - like one ex-federal lawyer who had kid offenses did their yard related complaints and paperwork. Or they'd be fronting for them by hiding things, or distracting guards. And they didn't bully this cooperation, but made pretty fair trades even with people who on mainline were green-light targets. By laying low they made their money easier, faster, and with few fights. It was cynical and insidious in a way, but they also kept order on the yard. Lockdowns were bad for business so having two sex offenders fighting was a no-go. The fights tended to be one guy on another, usually for theft, debt, sex, etc... the beefs and their resolutions were not passed on to torpedos or turned into mass melee but dealt with between the primaries. Nobody behaved like pigs, or talked openly and obnoxiously about their offenses. Whatever you did they did not want to hear about it so privacy and courtesy were enforced. Sometimes on SNY weird guys want to tell you things you'd rather not hear, like some weird confessional. That was frowned upon. A lot of old men, physically disabled, mentally ill people were on the yards, too, people that got taken advantage of often on mainline. The 2 5 gang and related cliques made sure those people tended to be left alone. The tension level of SNY was lower, and you could opt out of politics and "business" without anyone minding. Because of their, uh, operational and financial success, and the way people freely could team up with other like-minded but racially different people on SNY it should be no surprise why there are more and more SNY yards every year. Basically 2 5 was made up of all the most talented schemers from several gangs, guys who enjoyed the game and weren't into any race issues anymore. That was the story as I saw it in 5 different facilities I am familiar with as of late 2006. A long ago memory and I like to remember from time to time so I can be grateful for a good life out here in the real world. I suppose though for the peace and quiet, if I had to do it all over again, I would have started on SNY-PC a lot sooner. If any guy wants to drop-out its not nearly so bad as they are led to believe. You can reasonably expect on an SNY yard to get out on time, not get caught up, or forced into "participating" and turn a short visit into all day (unless you choose otherwise). If you have a family member struggling with the choice maybe this anecdote will help.
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Wow! I was going to ask the same question. We are thinking of putting in for a transfer (closer to me) and he's comin from an SNY yard currently! is there alot of lockdowns on SNY yards there at Mulle creek?
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When my guy was at mule creek it was cool, much more lax than any other we have been too. I wish he got sent back there.
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Mule Creek seems like a very decent, laid back place where people just want to do their time, sometimes a lot of it, and mind their own business. It appears to be very low key and the people (staff and inmates) who are there really want to be at that facility rather than any other.
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There are not many lockdowns at mule creek. If there is trouble, it's mostly on A yard were there are a mixture of Level IV and III inmates. In general, Mule Creek is a good place to be! Me and my husband like it there..
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There are not many lockdowns at mule creek. If there is trouble, it's mostly on A yard were there are a mixture of Level IV and III inmates. In general, Mule Creek is a good place to be! Me and my husband like it there..
Good news for us cause as of for now where we currently are they are on Lockdown alot, cause of the pepsi generation. The older fellas just want to program! So sounds like we are makeing the right move! Thank you
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From what my man tells me MC SNY B yard is the softest yard he has been on.
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Yeah my honey says there's more violence on the streets then in there. Which I love that about MCSP. What I think is sad is watching the men kiss their lady's knowing he's also doing his celly.
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Yeah my honey says there's more violence on the streets then in there. Which I love that about MCSP. What I think is sad is watching the men kiss their lady's knowing he's also doing his celly.
Ahhhhhhh :/ But it's true... Smh!!
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What about the drug use there?
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Yeah my honey says there's more violence on the streets then in there. Which I love that about MCSP. What I think is sad is watching the men kiss their lady's knowing he's also doing his celly.

How is the drug use there that is what I am worried about.
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How is the drug use there that is what I am worried about.
I have no info on that prison.. But If anyone wants to do drugs at any prison I'm sure it could happen.. If you have the $$ you can get the drugs!!
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Yeah my honey says there's more violence on the streets then in there. Which I love that about MCSP. What I think is sad is watching the men kiss their lady's knowing he's also doing his celly.
This comment makes me upset because I am one of those ladies.
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I sorry if what I typed upset you. I wish you the best in luck.

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Yeah my honey says there's more violence on the streets then in there. Which I love that about MCSP. What I think is sad is watching the men kiss their lady's knowing he's also doing his celly.
I am sorry to hear that for you. I am glad that my husband and so many others have never had that inclination. Good luck.
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Lost?????
in regards to thinking that just because someone is behind bars they are going to change from straight to gay. I am pretty certain that this is rare and that if it does happen something was already pushing the inmate in that direction. I do not think prison turns people out.

When my husband gave up any affiliation it was not to be gay, it was to stay married and come home to his wife and family.
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I do understand that. Alll I stated was its said to see. I never said all men cause mine doesn't do anything he is stuck on me and me only.
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My husband is at Mule Creek. He said there are a lot of gays there. Lots of men with girlfriends or wives, who come to visit with no idea. That's wrong in my opinion.

I would say prision is more violent then the streets. I guess depending on where you live. Something us always brewing in prison. I'm glad my hubby stays clear of that now.
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Please keep this thread on topic. The O/P original question was about gang's in SNY at Mule Creek. Any other questions should be asked in a separate thread.
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I just kinda want to chime in ladies.

I don't have a loved one inside. But having been inside from a hard 3 (where most lifers stop and go no further ) all the way down to fire camp.

When I was HDSP "A" yard. There were some gays on the yard. They generally celled together. Unless a lifer wanted one as a cellmate. No one messed with them, and I don't see that being any different anywhere else. There might be more of them at MCSP, but don't worry about that. Trust me, only someone who was already wanting to come out of the closet, or tempted would go down that route.

Just because your men have turned their lives around, don't mean they are any weaker. If they were once against that lifestyle. Guess what? They still are. Fi-Fi's do wonderful things. Plus, there is plenty of porn flying around. (Don't fault them for that)

So, put your minds to rest. Though I've never been a SNY or PC. It's not like that.or even like what you see on tv.
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What are Fi-Fi's?
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I could have done without that comment, also. Pretty gross and utterly unnecessary and OT.
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