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Old 10-18-2019, 02:12 PM
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Can some of you ladies help me understand something my boyfriend just called me telling me I'm cheating on him he knows it I called up to his prison to see when they can get there parole clothes he said now you want to care about me where were you at the other 45 days of my violation I've been here then I said I don't understand he said understand this and hung up I'm crying upset I really don't want to send his clothes at all I feel like throwing them in the garbage
I've merged your two threads because basically it's Question 1: he's treating me like crap and Question 2: he's still treating me like crap.

Hunny, this guy is a dirtbag. He loves himself first and the rest of the world when he has the time.
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Can some of you ladies help me understand something my boyfriend just called me telling me I'm cheating on him he knows it I called up to his prison to see when they can get there parole clothes he said now you want to care about me where were you at the other 45 days of my violation I've been here then I said I don't understand he said understand this and hung up I'm crying upset I really don't want to send his clothes at all I feel like throwing them in the garbage
Throw HIM in the garbage. This will NOT improve upon his release. It will get worse and I pray that he’s never had DV issues because it’ll get to that. This is narcissistic controlling behavior very typical of an abusive man.
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Run. Run. RUN. That is mental and emotional abuse! He will manipulate you until you are sucked dry. He should be grateful that someone looked past his crime and flaws and gave him a chance. It takes a special kind of person to stand by their significant other through incarceration. He should be appreciative that you do as much as you do for him. My boyfriend has never once asked for money from me, nor does he allow me to pay for the phone calls. That is his way of giving back to me for staying with him through this time in our lives. There’s nothing wrong with giving money to help out, but this should not be an obligation for you. You are your number 1 priority. Bills need to be paid, people need to eat, and a roof needs to be over your head. If you couldn’t get the money on time, he’ll manage. Trust me. Don’t let him try to intimidate you. Stand your ground and let him do what he’s going to do. I can guarantee you that he’ll be back. In the meantime, take care of yourself. You deserve much more than this. Know your worth!
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Can some of you ladies help me understand something my boyfriend just called me telling me I'm cheating on him he knows it I called up to his prison to see when they can get there parole clothes he said now you want to care about me where were you at the other 45 days of my violation I've been here then I said I don't understand he said understand this and hung up I'm crying upset I really don't want to send his clothes at all I feel like throwing them in the garbage
And in the end watch to see HE is the one thats probably holding a whole relationship with someone else. Normally how it goes. Hes trying to make you feel bad, so in the end he can blame you for everything!! RUNNNNNN, it isnt going to change.
**He may also be doing these things so you WILL leave** If you dont he will assume you accept any and everything that he does, and that will NOT end well either!! Good luck!
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No he's not I've talked to him hes coming home to me actually not anybody else have been with him for 10 yrs he's getting help and I called parole officer she's getting him into counseling
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Thank you everyone you guys are great and some of you have never dealt with dv so you can't judge till you've been in my shoes god bless
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I’ve had experience with DV both as a child and an adult. I don’t judge and I still would run far away from him
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Thank you everyone you guys are great and some of you have never dealt with dv so you can't judge till you've been in my shoes god bless
But some of us have.
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Thank you everyone you guys are great and some of you have never dealt with dv so you can't judge till you've been in my shoes god bless
I feel for you. I really do. A lot of us have dealt with domestic violence. I personally have. That is why I think you should leave. You deserve better. He isn't going to change.
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Yea and the ones that have have been more supportive then the ones that think it's so to leave I'm working with safe homes I also am going to start counseling on Weds
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Yea and the ones that have have been more supportive then the ones that think it's so to leave I'm working with safe homes I also am going to start counseling on Weds
Counseling is a really good idea. I hope it works out for you.
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Yes me too I've been in 2 abusive relationships one with my child's father for 11 yrs and him for 10 only 2 relationship s I had
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But some of us have.
As have I, and so did my sister. Who rode with the “love of her life” thru 2 bids, two years of this exact behavior patterns. “None of us could understand he had mental/alcohol/blah blah blah problems”. He was home 4 days after the second bid. The night he got out he beat her becuz he wanted to look thru all her info for the last year and a half. Securus, gtl messages, phone records, emails. She obliged becuz she was not betraying him. Four days later The headrest on her car was raised higher up than normal and he went ballistic. She now lives in an assisted living facility, in a wheelchair, has a feeding tube. She is 28 years old.
I know it’s easier said than done, I’ve been there too. For narcissistic abusers being incarcerated takes away their ability to control you completely and it drives them mad. They get worse. It takes multiple DV cases before they’re upgraded to a felony. It’s not a first time offense. I UNDERSTAND DV. All angles of it. You are in my prayers.
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Yes me too I've been in 2 abusive relationships one with my child's father for 11 yrs and him for 10 only 2 relationship s I had
It doesn't matter what anyone else posts. Its topic after topic after topic of continual abuse. From the national domestic violence abuse own's webpage:

Believing Abuse is Normal: A person may not know what a healthy relationship looks like, perhaps from growing up in an environment where abuse was common, and they may not recognize that their relationship is unhealthy.

There's also a reason some of us don't know what DV is like, you're right. That's because we don't do it, and don't tolerate it.
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I was a short timer and I did it often to my wife. I spun her into a spiral of alcoholism and gambling because of it that put her so hard up for money that she got a conspiracy to commit fraud case that she is waiting to get sentenced for. I am out now and she is in. I know I'm not fully to blame and she made her own decision without my knowledge (because I would have made her not do that) but I didn't help her mental state.
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It would be the last time we spoke......
When you’re supporting someone incarcerated and they would even think to treat you like that, don’t fool yourself that it wouldn’t continue.
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As have I, and so did my sister. Who rode with the “love of her life” thru 2 bids, two years of this exact behavior patterns. “None of us could understand he had mental/alcohol/blah blah blah problems”. He was home 4 days after the second bid. The night he got out he beat her becuz he wanted to look thru all her info for the last year and a half. Securus, gtl messages, phone records, emails. She obliged becuz she was not betraying him. Four days later The headrest on her car was raised higher up than normal and he went ballistic. She now lives in an assisted living facility, in a wheelchair, has a feeding tube. She is 28 years old.
I know it’s easier said than done, I’ve been there too. For narcissistic abusers being incarcerated takes away their ability to control you completely and it drives them mad. They get worse. It takes multiple DV cases before they’re upgraded to a felony. It’s not a first time offense. I UNDERSTAND DV. All angles of it. You are in my prayers.
He caught a felony for aggravated criminal contempt that's why he's on parole for he's in there for a parole violation I'm sorry that happened to your sister I think at times they get a kick out of hurting people
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[quote=Visitor611;7798735]It doesn't matter what anyone else posts. Its topic after topic after topic of continual abuse. From the national domestic violence abuse own's webpage:

Believing Abuse is Normal: A person may not know what a healthy relationship looks like, perhaps from growing up in an environment where abuse was common, and they may not recognize that their relationship is unhealthy.

There's also a reason some of us don't know what DV is like, you're right. That's because we don't do it, and don't tolerate it.[/QUOTE
It's not about tolerating it you don't no their abusive until your in the relationship then it's hard to get out of alot of people are very judgemental except the people that have been through it themselves sometimes it's safer to stay then they no where you are I'm working with safe homes your more likely to get killed when the relationship is over or you try to leave
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As have I, and so did my sister. Who rode with the “love of her life” thru 2 bids, two years of this exact behavior patterns. “None of us could understand he had mental/alcohol/blah blah blah problems”. He was home 4 days after the second bid. The night he got out he beat her becuz he wanted to look thru all her info for the last year and a half. Securus, gtl messages, phone records, emails. She obliged becuz she was not betraying him. Four days later The headrest on her car was raised higher up than normal and he went ballistic. She now lives in an assisted living facility, in a wheelchair, has a feeding tube. She is 28 years old.
I know it’s easier said than done, I’ve been there too. For narcissistic abusers being incarcerated takes away their ability to control you completely and it drives them mad. They get worse. It takes multiple DV cases before they’re upgraded to a felony. It’s not a first time offense. I UNDERSTAND DV. All angles of it. You are in my prayers.
I am so sorry this happened to your sister. I hope that SOB went to prison for what he did. I’ve worked with women my entire career (43 yrs now).
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I’m so glad you are receiving professional help. It’s scary to get the help to be strong again. Take advantage of all the support you can get, there is a lot of help out there. You truly deserve a man that wants to be a positive in your life. I have walked away from addict men that I loved with all my heart. I loved them like an addiction and always ended up hurting myself trying to help them get better. I started my journey in private and group therapy in a women’s shelter 25 years ago. Today I have the pleasure of volunteering at a women’s shelter to give back. I hope you both get help that is the only chance you have with the level of control and abuse you describe. Good luck
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It's not about tolerating it you don't no their abusive until your in the relationship then it's hard to get out of alot of people are very judgemental except the people that have been through it themselves sometimes it's safer to stay then they no where you are I'm working with safe homes your more likely to get killed when the relationship is over or you try to leave
There's documented examples on this forum where you use the words "not everyone is perfect" or giving excuses on why you let some man treat you like garbage. You are tolerating it, and you're trying to convince those that respond to you with justification to his behavior. It's almost like you are defending him. All of LOs did some bad shit, it's why this forum exists. Very few hold someone down, then add another layer is abuse. It's your life though, but stop getting defensive when you ask opinions on an open forum.
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Sweetie, I can empathize with where you are. I have been through DV, so I will say this.


People will treat you the way you allow them to treat you. I am happy to hear that you are going to counseling. That is the best possible thing you can do for yourself. In all honesty, treat yourself well first! Learn to love YOU first, and then you will see how valuable you are as a person and a woman. Then you will have the strength to do what you have to do for yourself to be happy.

Happiness doesn't come from having a man who is abusive towards you. Happiness doesn't come from even having a man in your life. You deserve to be treated like a queen. Learn that, embrace that, and then live it. Treat yourself like a queen first, and your happiness will come.
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Nope. Not once in the 14 months we've been doing this have either of us said hurtful or mean things. Not over the phone, not through email, not through letters, not on video visits, not during in persons. We're very respectful toward each other and very much take our time to talk about any negative feelings that may come up about whatever differences we may have. We would never insult one another, and we both know our time together talking, writing, visiting is too precious and far between to waste hurting each other. Plus, honestly, even though we have some different opinions on things we don't argue or yell at each other about them. We listen, we analyze, and we talk it out. I'm very, very blessed to have such a smooth, easy relationship.
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This is true. Leaving can be very dangerous. I am glad you are getting therapy and making a plan now so that you can get away from him and be safe. Honey, we are all pulling for you.
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