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Old 09-06-2005, 12:54 PM
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Exclamation Copying & Pasting complete News Articles - Policy & Copyright Violation

After looking around earlier today there appears to be a very large quantity of copyrighted news articles being made on PTO. I point no fingers because I have been guilty of this too. It is easy to forget that just because an article, story or piece of content is made available on the web it does not mean that it can be legally reproduced any place else beyond where the copyright holder specifies. I also know it is frustrating when we make a summary about an article and provide a link only to have that link go bad sometime in the future, or having a “subscribe now to view this article” presented (for money) before you can view it.

I want to bring PTO back into full legal compliance with all applicable copyright laws and I need your help to do it.

How do you post an article so that it is legal and does not violate PTO’s Policies?

To stay within “fair use” copyright you are allowed a brief summary and a link back to the site which the article is located. Here is an example:


Subject: Official: E. Coli bacteria detected in floodwater

Post Content:
NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- Floodwater in New Orleans is contaminated with E. coli bacteria, a city official told CNN Tuesday.
The official in Mayor Ray Nagin's office declined to be identified.
The failures of the levee system after Hurricane Katrina's onslaught left about 80 percent of the city flooded with water up to 20 feet deep -- water that became a toxic mix of chemicals, garbage, corpses and human waste.

Link to full story:


This is the maximum amount of text you are allowed under “fair use” laws in the United States. You are also not allowed to edit the summary or paragraph that you are using that came from the copyright holder.

I understand for some time there has been confusion about what “fair use” actually is. It has been mistakenly identified as the right to reprint the full body of content as long as there is a link back to the main article. That is false. You can only post a summary or first paragraph (limited) to the article and a link.

I think it is also appropriate that when anyone posts a news article in the forums that they make their own summary and describe the events of the article. You are welcome to write as much as you like about the news article that you have read as long as you are not quoting verbatim. Think of it as a school paper in a way.

PTO is NOT a repository for everything that we can find on the Internet and want to add to the site. I know that we would not like other sites or media outlets copying up our content to use on their sites.

The moderators have been instructed from this point forward to edit any copyrighted news article that do not fit the "fair use" criteria and contact the members who post them. Again, I am not pointing any fingers (I’m no hypocrite, I’m guilty of it), however I feel that it has become so prevalent that if someone from a major media outlet shows up they are not going to be happy seeing the amount of content we have here. They have the obligation to inform us of this and ask us to remove it prior to any litigation, HOWEVER we don't need to spend hours and hours of our time in that pursuit when we can prevent it now, and because it is the right thing to do.

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Old 09-06-2005, 01:07 PM
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Thanks for the reminder David...I am guilty of this as well...thanks for giving us the correct way to post a article...because I had no idea what the Copyright Laws are, so thanks for clarifying that.
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Old 09-06-2005, 01:47 PM
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Thanks for clearing up the confusion- I also had no idea what the copyright laws were.
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alrightie then...thanks
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Thank you for the head's up. I was guilty of this also.
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Old 09-07-2005, 07:10 AM
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I don't use newsarticles in threads, but thank you for the reminder.
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Old 09-10-2005, 04:47 AM
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I'm also guilty as charged, but no more. I'll be good.
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I don't use news articles but thank you for the information...mary
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One question about this...how does this pertain to press releases as it r/t "fair use"? It seems to me if a press release is made public [via the internet] or is sent out to a list serve, it is then public domain. But I am looking for some expert assistance in this area before I err the wrong way again!? [I did this a few weeks ago and was told it was not ok even though I clearly stated it was a press release].
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Old 11-13-2005, 10:11 AM
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I would also like to know about press releases.
An example would be: http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/text/releases/05-11-04_e.shtml
If a press release is released onto the internet then isnt that fair game, especially if its released by the an government agency. Doesnt that make it for public use ?
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Just about every website has copyright information somewhere within their site....

Witchlin... in the link you provided - here's a link to their copyright statement:


I would think the best thing to do would be check out the sites copyright info and ifs OK to reprint their stuff intact, be sure to add that to your post, including the link..

For instance, If I were reprinting something from the above website, I'd print it then at the end leave a link to their permission:

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Thank you for the info. I am new to Prison Talk and wish I'd found out about it a few years ago when this all began...

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Thank you for the information thats helpfull
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Fair Usage specifically deals with 'WHERE PERMISSION IS NOT NECESSARY'.

I have seen NO law anywhere stating the amount that can be copied WITHOUT PERMISSION nor EVER heard of a law requiring anybody to LINK.

Court cases go on all the time between parties that have the money to fight them. (like Microsoft vs. Wal-Mart,etc.etc.)

Important is financial loss to the party something is 'copied' from. If no financial loss? Put your local newspaper on the web and they loose their subscriptions?

Places like web site hosting services and maybe even this messageboard are often paranoid because they don't want to be sued. There is a disease of places threatening suits which have no merit. Pay to fight them?

Is your local courthouse docket filled with minor copyright cases? I doubt it.

Also #1 to prove ownership you have to have your 'works' registered with the government which costs money.

Anybody can snoop FAIR USAGE. There are many places that never want to admit any such thing exists but Congress wrote it and it still exists. Actually the music industry pushed for the last copyright act and then even the major concern was THEM loosing money---not simple private web sites....
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Sorry if I done anything wrong, I guess I still don't know how to do this. This is all new to me. I have never used a posting board before. So I'm sorry if done anything wrong.

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so we cant copy and paste?
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Old 09-16-2006, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Timinemsgurl
so we cant copy and paste?
It's important to give folks credit for their work. If nothing else, it's just good manners and respect.

For news articles and information gathered by another source, it's better to link it so that everyone is properly credited and covered.

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Old 09-22-2006, 07:46 AM
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same question again...we Can't copy and paste? still confused
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Yes you can copy and paste - however you cannot paste the entire article. Only a short synopsis
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