ASHAMED of my brother

[Gymnastic Chick]

I want to have a brother that I can be proud of, but here he is in friggin prison for running amok destroying shit left and right and doing drugs. I'm so mad cause all my friends are showing off their kewl brothers, and I am too ashamed to even bring my brother up. I'm TIRED of trying to pretend that everything is okie dokie. Its NOT friggin okie dokie, and it sucks. I really want to scream cause in this RETARD TOWN people dont look at what YOU do but for what your FAMILY does. I went into gymnastics cause I wanted to become a cheerleader so that my family could put pictures on their desks at work and bumperstickers that say who theyre rootin for at the ball games and at gymnastics meets and shit like that. It's a big thing around here and moms would kill to get their daughters on the cheerleading team. So here I'm bustin my ass to bring honor to my family and shit and now my brother is trompin all over it by getting his butt in prison. man, does this suck or what? I have to do all the work and effort around here holding up the family image around this town and shit like that and people STILL can't stand to see me happy. I love my brother and I want him back, but why is he pulling all this crap on us? I won't even go into what I had to go through just to visit him at the prison with all the GESTAPO guards making you do al their chicken shit tap dances and beeping metal detector hoola hoop shit. That sucked too. Dad's at sea, Mom's in the pits and theres no male left to fix things around the house. Im bogged down enough as is and now hell is throwing the kitchen sink at me and I just want to cry. I just want things to be normal again. is that too much to ask? I'm sorry to bother you with this but I have to get over this which from the looks of it is going to take forerver.

[big mama 69]

You want things to be normal again? It sounds to me like there's been nothing normal about your life to begin with.You've grown up thinking that the only way to be accepted is to be an over-achiever. Your story sounds like something right out of a lifetime channel movie.Quit worrying about what other people think of you so much.The people you're trying so desperately to impress will come and go,but your brother is your blood.You can't change the fact that your brother screwed up,so you need to accept what's done is done.You can change your attitude about how you handle the situation though.I'm sorry that you're hurting,and that you feel such tremendous pressures in your life.If your brother being in prison affects your image so much I'd seriously be more concerned on working through some of your own issues opposed to focusing on your brothers faults so much.I truely hope you can come to terms with all of this.Good luck!

[big mama 69]

Hello again!I was just looking at your profile and you appear to be a teenager.Are you? If so then,I'm certainly alot more understanding of your situation.You say you're in school.Are you in highschool? I still think it sucks that you've felt so much pressure to impress your town and even your own parents.I'm guessing by your photo that you've been doing gymnastics for many years.You look like someone straight out of the olympics.I can only imagine the hard work and sacrifices you've made over the years.I wish I had some better advice to help you,but I don't.I just wanted to let you know that I feel for you.In my other post I said that maybe you should focus more on some of your own issues,but now that I see how young you are I realize that your only real issue is being a teenager who wants to fit in.Take care!

[bj's girl]

You're not responsible for your parents' social status, gymnast. If they want some kind of emblem to put on the hood of their car, tell them to go to the Rolls Royce dealer.

[ms.katy]

No wonder you are so high-strung, my little Gymnast Chick. If your success or "honor" in life is dependent on the success of each and every one of your family members, then you are setting yourself up for a very stressful and chaotic life. Listen, Gymnast, you are not responsible for the choices your sibling(s) or parents make. If your brother chooses to learn from the school of hard knocks instead of the easy way, then that's his business. You can let him make - and learn from - his own mistakes and still love him. One has nothing to do with the other.

[liltexas]

Hey gym chick!! life goes on...i agree with what big mama says but i like to say this to you ...Pray for ur brother..only prayer will help ..someone has to start somewhere just pray for him dont worry bout what he has done or dont ever feel embarrased bout ur brother...hold ur head up and dont worry bout what people think or say... god is the answer to everything..I will keep u in prayer...just dont forget bout ur brother he is ur blood and if u dont stand by him he will be a lost case....WE DONT WANT THAT ....maybe he never had anyone to stand by him...think bout it!!!!! and just support him no matter what he has done or what he is ..with your help he will become somebody...and let me say this or let me correct my self HE IS SOMEBODY looking for a chance to be accepted by someone no matter what he has done or gone through ....so be there for him ....again you will be in my prayers and so will he .....

[Doc's Sis]

Listen to Big Mama, Chick. Why do you focus on your brother like that? He has emotional problems and he is the one that must ask for help to get better. You, on the other hand, seem to have problems as well. The only difference is that he's in jail and you aren't. No, you didn't do drugs like he did, but you are ruining your life by feeling so sorry for you!

Forget about what others say. I also live in a small town and people seem to know what I'm doing before I even do it! So what? Ignore such people. They aren't worth your time and energy to get so upset about it.

Have you tried discussing this with your school counselor or your pastor? If not, please do so. You need someone else to help get you on the right track here. You just love yourself enough to do the things you need to do to get ahead in your life. Concentrate on your studies and sports. Try to be supportive of your mom too. Until you're a parent, you'll never understand why she's so upset - but she needs you to not keep on badmouthing your brother this way. He didn't get into trouble simply to get at you. Try to be understanding and supportive of him as well. Family is family! My family certainly never ever expected that one of our own would end up in a prison - but he's there and although we don't really understand, we still love him and support him.

Again, please get some good counseling. If you don't, I don't see things in your life getting much better. God bless and keep you, young lady!

[billssister2004]

I have something for you to think about and I hope your old enough or mature enough to take what I have to say to heart.. I dont post alot but have been a member for awhile. My brother Bill is 10 years old than me. I use to love to be with him when I was little and "tag" along ,pester him when he was with his girlfriends,and when he married at 18 he made me a Aunt at age 8.. How cool lol.. we weren't a rich family ,my mother and father were older and always there for us... we live in a small town one redlight. Heck we lived in a double house(attatched).. your other neighbors were seperated from you only by a fence.. lol.. He began drinking heavly,and doing drugs both prescription ,and others.. always getting arrested and my poor mom always bailing him out.. my mom was 39 when she had me and I know what my brother did aged them both rapidly.. He went (probably caused)through 2 divorces with between the 2 had 8 kids.. He was always good to me, always said he loved me,same with what he said to my mom and Dad.. Dad always hunted with him .. around 1997 I was about 24 and he 34.. He hit rock bottom.. and was charged with 3rd degree murder.. I was devistated! HOW COULD HE DO THIS TO ME!!!!! was the first thing that came to mind..ME ME ME ME!!! I was scared, I knew he was going to spend the better part of his life in prison. My father (whom I loved dearly,I was his little girl) I only saw cry 2 times ,once when his sister died,the other,when he found out what my brother did and was going to jail.. That broke my heart as well.. My dad was 62 years old ,I was 25..he blamed himself,thought it HAD to be something he did or didnt do,despite the fact ,I never even had a parking ticket!I even said ,Dad look at me.. He was convinced Bill would get the death penalty and I tried to explain to him that he wouldn't.. 6 months after my brother did this my wonderfully father passed away during the night with heart failure.. I swear on his grave.. I vowed NEVER to talk to my brother again! I blamed him that my dad passed from a "BROKEN HEART" I was once a carefree ,happy-go-lucky person,but within 6 months time the world and 2 of the people I loved the most were gone.. Bill was dead to me.. they(law) wouldnt let him go to the funeral.. He had written to me, our other brother who was 2 years older than him and my mom ,and his children, explaining and sorrying ,I just couldn't accept what he done.. (I'm trying to make this not so long ,but there is so many details..) Through the next 6 years he pleaded for me to come see him ,wrote me,he knew why I wouldn't because my mom and brother told him.. I didn't want to be reminded of what was going on ,didn't engage in conversation about him,(HE HURT MY HEART,and killed our dad)Didn't what to see him there because If I didnt think about it ,it wasn't happening.. My husband was the best man in his 2nd marriage.. so they were close. I have probably 100 letters from him ,didnt respond to one. He called me in the summer of 2003 and I talked to him.. broke down and cried.. what a release when i heard his voice.. I still couldn't see him in prison.. Life for me and my family (what was left) was about to get worse.. (I won't get into details ,for that if ya want,can look at my previous post I made on here) around April of 2004 he wrote me telling me he was sick and was having trouble getting the propper medical treatment..and a few months later he wrote me that ,alone, at the local hospital ,where no one gives a shit,was told he had Pancreatic cancer and he was going to die.. WTF I thought.. I felt the life leave my body.!I went to see him along with my other brother and mom.. by this time it was the beginning of October 2004.. He by this time was in the infirmary.. we cried ,held each other ... and he went from being 220 lbs to 80 lbs.. his spine to the bottom of his neck was sticking out(LUMPY).. he didn't look 42 ,he looked 92.. I didn't want to exist.. He was in sooooooo much pain.. we got a call to one night to come to the prison, they said he wouldn't make the night,he did, he maded one more week, (thank god we said our goodbyes and love before we left him the week before)He passed away as alone in that room, as alone in the doctors office when he found out he had this deadly cancer.. I claimed his body so he could finally "come home". or else the state would of got it.. with having no insurance, I had to have him creamated(he wanted that anyway) and his remains I have here at home.. Although thankful I made peace with my brother those 2 months, I still to this day,curse myself for being so Freaking SELFISH! Yes,selfish.. I let my fear,anger,sadness get the best of me and realised I still loved my brother very much and that he was,now off drugs and alchol,the same "boy" I onced loved and adored and looked up to and who was ALWAYS there for me before his demons.. my bro passed away nov.1 2004..on December 22,2004 my Other bro who was 44 ,my 67 year old mom found him face down in front of the Xmas tree.. its just me and my mom left,she lives with me now.. Im raising his 15(at the time)year old boy(he's the best).. his other son was in Afghanistan.. (now Iraq).. Im still recovering from those events.. It will follow me to my grave,so do me a favor please,right now take a LONG ,HARD look inside your HEART,not mind,HEART!!! Forget about what anyone else thinks ,trust me they seem angery,but thats how most people act when they are hurting.. you just can't let it take control of your feelings, and your life. You do not know where life is going to take you in a second!!! TRUST ME!! you think its bad today,tomorrow can destroy you. You better make sure you have no feelings for your brother and if he passes tomorrow it will be no skin off your back.. and you will not hurt... You dont need to stand by what he did and by all means tell him off,but do not turn your back on him..! but tell him you love him still.. what he did was wrong,and my brother paid the ultimate final price.. he suffered before he died.. in the cancer and for what he did to us and anyone else.. he appologized to the mother of the guy he committed the act against she handed him a small cross and said she forgave him..Her son was into drugs to he was in his 30's as well..If she could forgive him ,who am I not to.. I have not, however ,forgave myself.. I read his letters he wrote to me ,begging and pleading me to see him,to write him,I read the letters he wrote to my mom as well ,begging her to talk to me.. I read them to punish myself I guess. I dont know.. So please take that look inside before you make any decisions to shut him out of your life,your not only hurting the one you "onced" loved ,but you will be making you a different person,one full of anger ,sadness and hate and you will HURT the whole time..and not just for the fact for what he did.. take alook its not anger (for me it wasnt) or hatred ,or embarrassment,it was pure grief.. I hope in my heart you can find some peace with this before it takes control of you,and by the tone of your writing it started.. God bless ya hon,you,your family and your dear brother.. ! RIP BILL and JOHN.. Love and miss you!

[Atalie]

Billssister, I too had given up on my brother and had no contact with him for nearly 10 years. I finally did write him and I am so thankful he is back in my life. I could have been in the same situation as you and my brother could have died and I would not know. Thank you for your post, I think everyone can learn from your experience. I am so sorry for your loss.

[HOPE4FUTURE]

Billssister, I am saddened by your story. Please forgive yourself! Leave the guilt behind and remember the good times with your brother. Maybe this happened so that you could share this with others like the little sister here so that she can also forgive and learn to leave her pride behind.

[aliUK]

Billssister- I read your story and understand. When I found out my brother was going to prison my first reaction was "how could he do this to his family" and then when I calmed down and got all the facts i realised he was so alone and he needs me now more then ever before. Just the thought of knowing I care and love him is keeping him going ( as well as other family support) Listen gym chick if you really loved your brother you wouldn't care what others thought. Don't ever turn your back on him, and always remember no one knows what is around the corner there maybe a time when you may need him. Stand by him, be angry, feel grief, etc. but by him.

[okie]

I'm sorry to hear you in such heartache over this GC. My family (dad) has been in and out of prison most of my life- then later on my brother and sister. I was young and then moved into my teenage years when both dad and my brother went in. We would move closer to them for visitation but then it would make it hard on me that everyone would soon find out that my family was doing prisontime. I mean how do you explain that the male figures in your life are always at work- sometimes for years . Your still very young and as time passes you will learn to accept the choices your brother has made maybe weren't the best but they were his and his alone. Keep trying to be that high achiever and the people will recognize you for yourself. Eventually your brothers doings will become old news and the snotty people of the town will move on to someone elses wrong doings (I promise ). And try not to be ashamed of your brother because I'm sure he is kicking himself enough about the situation- if not now he will later on. Blood is blood hun, you might be mad and ashamed but he is still your brother .

[Gymnastic Chick]

Hi big momma, thank you for being so honest and "telling it like it is" the townsfolk around here are too "nice" I mean they rather misguide me than hurt my feelings, but I do the same to them so its just a mater of whos the kettle and whos the pot I mean around this town we dont talk feelings we talk plastic. man, somebody get me outta here Anyways I dont WANT to be ashamed of my brother he is the only one I have AND I love him course so what do I tell my freinds athletic peers and coaches? See he used to give me rides to gymnastics class and pick me up too. now he vanished voom and they go like, uh, wheres Brandon? and my face turns red. Im sorry this is sloppy Im not a shiny talker. love, gymnastic chick

[JazzyJFL]

You can not live your life for your brother, mother, or father. You must live your life for YOU. Your brother made his choices and now he must live with the consequences of his choices. It is not your fault that he is in prison. I know that you want to make things right, but only God can do that. Seek counseling for yourself, take one day at a time, and trust in God. God Bless You.

[big mama 69]

You're very welcome for the advice,and the next time someone asks where Brandon(that's my son's name too ) is just say that he moved.Hey,...it's not a lie,...he did move,....to a much bigger house too! You take care,and don't give up on your bro,he needs you!

[Gymnastic Chick]

Originally Posted by liltexas

Hey gym chick!! life goes on...i agree with what big mama says but i like to say this to you ...Pray for ur brother..only prayer will help ..someone has to start somewhere just pray for him dont worry bout what he has done or dont ever feel embarrased bout ur brother...hold ur head up and dont worry bout what people think or say... god is the answer to everything..I will keep u in prayer...just dont forget bout ur brother he is ur blood and if u dont stand by him he will be a lost case....WE DONT WANT THAT ....maybe he never had anyone to stand by him...think bout it!!!!! and just support him no matter what he has done or what he is ..with your help he will become somebody...and let me say this or let me correct my self HE IS SOMEBODY looking for a chance to be accepted by someone no matter what he has done or gone through ....so be there for him ....again you will be in my prayers and so will he .....

Hey fellow Texan sister, thank you for replyng. I use to enjoy church and stuff but I lost
alot of faith cause of evolution I learn in school and that life is just a coincidense and that us humans are just a big mistake of nature. so my brilliant science teachers ruined it for me (hey thanks doc) and its not the same when I go to church. my folks still go. sometimes I pray. like, theres no atheists in foxholes heheh, and Mom covers her head and speaks out a blessing over the food at dinnertime. which is kinda nice. Thank you for praying for me and my brother. from the looks of it were going to need all the prayer we can get. Thanks for being such support. many hugs, Gymnastic Chick

[BrandNewGirl]

Gymnastic Chick, I really don't have any advice for you--it's my husband that's incarcerated instead of my brother, but all I can tell you is be as supportive of your brother as you can be. I am sure it's hard for you, being young, but he probably needs to know somebody still loves him, despite his mistakes.

Looks like we're a mini "Brandon bunch" around here--that's my husband's name too!

Anyway, we're here for you. Take care and keep posting.

Nance

[sicksgurly]

I know that it is hard to not be ashamed of your brother, but you have to remember that he is your blood. I am sure that you family is very happy about all of your accomplishments in gymnastics. I think that these clubs that everybdoy just strives to have their kids in is so that their image looks good. I know that I have had an experience such as yours when I was in middle school. My brother is 8 years older than I am, and he too use to pick me up from school and take me to karate classes and softball practice, to friend's houses and everything else. Then he got into some trouble doing security, and the guy that was the victim. Told the sheriff that he arrested him, stold some money, and held him at gun point. My brother never even owned a weapon. WEll anyways...just so this doesn't become a freaking book. My brother was arrested and then put into jail and then my grandfather paid for him to be in a work furlough because he had always been a good boy. I had the worst time going down to see him because it was hard to say goodbye. I was lost without my brother because also at that time my mom and dad were going through some hard times in their marriage, and he was the only way out for me. He would take to places and do things with me to make me feel better. It was hard for me to tell anybody what was going on with him because my parents were embarassed with his behavior. You just need to keep your chin up and realize that your family is the most important thing in your life and that no matter what happen with them good or bad you need to stick by their side. Your brother will probably get rude awakening while he is in jail and probably not do anything like this again. Take Care and stick up for yourself and your brother....

[angel12569]

I wish you the best. I know its tough at your age. Although my husband is in prison, not my brother, I do have a teenage daughter who is hurting alot because of this and still to this day refuses to go visit him. He has been in for just a little over a year and has five to go hopefully and she refuses to visit him. I wish you and all the teenagers who are going through this the best, its tough, but remember life is too short to hold grudges, and we are all on borrowed time. take care.

[Jimbos sis]

Hello Bills sister, I am new here this is my first post. I read your letter and am crying. I am so sorry for your loss.

[billssister2004]

Hi! Welcome to the board.. yeah,I typed that with alot of honest emotion.. I hope the gym read my post..

[poulinsj]

Gymnastic chic, Welcome to the forum. This is a great place to vent and share your fears and worries. I'm angry at my brother.

I'm upset that he has continually made bad decisions. I'm upset that i may have to bury my father while my brother is in prison. I'm upset that my kids and my brother's kids will grow up not knowing him. In saying how angry i am at him, i still love him. I try to think that he is not a bad person, but a person who made bad decisions.

We need to take this life experience and learn and grow from it...as difficult as it is.

[Gymnastic Chick]

Originally Posted by billssister2004

I have something for you to think about and I hope your old enough or mature enough to take what I have to say to heart.. I dont post alot but have been a member for awhile. My brother Bill is 10 years old than me. I use to love to be with him when I was little and "tag" along ,pester him when he was with his girlfriends,and when he married at 18 he made me a Aunt at age 8.. How cool lol.. we weren't a rich family ,my mother and father were older and always there for us... we live in a small town one redlight. Heck we lived in a double house(attatched).. your other neighbors were seperated from you only by a fence.. lol.. He began drinking heavly,and doing drugs both prescription ,and others.. always getting arrested and my poor mom always bailing him out.. my mom was 39 when she had me and I know what my brother did aged them both rapidly.. He went (probably caused)through 2 divorces with between the 2 had 8 kids.. He was always good to me, always said he loved me,same with what he said to my mom and Dad.. Dad always hunted with him .. around 1997 I was about 24 and he 34.. He hit rock bottom.. and was charged with 3rd degree murder.. I was devistated! HOW COULD HE DO THIS TO ME!!!!! was the first thing that came to mind..ME ME ME ME!!! I was scared, I knew he was going to spend the better part of his life in prison. My father (whom I loved dearly,I was his little girl) I only saw cry 2 times ,once when his sister died,the other,when he found out what my brother did and was going to jail.. That broke my heart as well.. My dad was 62 years old ,I was 25..he blamed himself,thought it HAD to be something he did or didnt do,despite the fact ,I never even had a parking ticket!I even said ,Dad look at me.. He was convinced Bill would get the death penalty and I tried to explain to him that he wouldn't.. 6 months after my brother did this my wonderfully father passed away during the night with heart failure.. I swear on his grave.. I vowed NEVER to talk to my brother again! I blamed him that my dad passed from a "BROKEN HEART" I was once a carefree ,happy-go-lucky person,but within 6 months time the world and 2 of the people I loved the most were gone.. Bill was dead to me.. they(law) wouldnt let him go to the funeral.. He had written to me, our other brother who was 2 years older than him and my mom ,and his children, explaining and sorrying ,I just couldn't accept what he done.. (I'm trying to make this not so long ,but there is so many details..) Through the next 6 years he pleaded for me to come see him ,wrote me,he knew why I wouldn't because my mom and brother told him.. I didn't want to be reminded of what was going on ,didn't engage in conversation about him,(HE HURT MY HEART,and killed our dad)Didn't what to see him there because If I didnt think about it ,it wasn't happening.. My husband was the best man in his 2nd marriage.. so they were close. I have probably 100 letters from him ,didnt respond to one. He called me in the summer of 2003 and I talked to him.. broke down and cried.. what a release when i heard his voice.. I still couldn't see him in prison.. Life for me and my family (what was left) was about to get worse.. (I won't get into details ,for that if ya want,can look at my previous post I made on here) around April of 2004 he wrote me telling me he was sick and was having trouble getting the propper medical treatment..and a few months later he wrote me that ,alone, at the local hospital ,where no one gives a shit,was told he had Pancreatic cancer and he was going to die.. WTF I thought.. I felt the life leave my body.!I went to see him along with my other brother and mom.. by this time it was the beginning of October 2004.. He by this time was in the infirmary.. we cried ,held each other ... and he went from being 220 lbs to 80 lbs.. his spine to the bottom of his neck was sticking out(LUMPY).. he didn't look 42 ,he looked 92.. I didn't want to exist.. He was in sooooooo much pain.. we got a call to one night to come to the prison, they said he wouldn't make the night,he did, he maded one more week, (thank god we said our goodbyes and love before we left him the week before)He passed away as alone in that room, as alone in the doctors office when he found out he had this deadly cancer.. I claimed his body so he could finally "come home". or else the state would of got it.. with having no insurance, I had to have him creamated(he wanted that anyway) and his remains I have here at home.. Although thankful I made peace with my brother those 2 months, I still to this day,curse myself for being so Freaking SELFISH! Yes,selfish.. I let my fear,anger,sadness get the best of me and realised I still loved my brother very much and that he was,now off drugs and alchol,the same "boy" I onced loved and adored and looked up to and who was ALWAYS there for me before his demons.. my bro passed away nov.1 2004..on December 22,2004 my Other bro who was 44 ,my 67 year old mom found him face down in front of the Xmas tree.. its just me and my mom left,she lives with me now.. Im raising his 15(at the time)year old boy(he's the best).. his other son was in Afghanistan.. (now Iraq).. Im still recovering from those events.. It will follow me to my grave,so do me a favor please,right now take a LONG ,HARD look inside your HEART,not mind,HEART!!! Forget about what anyone else thinks ,trust me they seem angery,but thats how most people act when they are hurting.. you just can't let it take control of your feelings, and your life. You do not know where life is going to take you in a second!!! TRUST ME!! you think its bad today,tomorrow can destroy you. You better make sure you have no feelings for your brother and if he passes tomorrow it will be no skin off your back.. and you will not hurt... You dont need to stand by what he did and by all means tell him off,but do not turn your back on him..! but tell him you love him still.. what he did was wrong,and my brother paid the ultimate final price.. he suffered before he died.. in the cancer and for what he did to us and anyone else.. he appologized to the mother of the guy he committed the act against she handed him a small cross and said she forgave him..Her son was into drugs to he was in his 30's as well..If she could forgive him ,who am I not to.. I have not, however ,forgave myself.. I read his letters he wrote to me ,begging and pleading me to see him,to write him,I read the letters he wrote to my mom as well ,begging her to talk to me.. I read them to punish myself I guess. I dont know.. So please take that look inside before you make any decisions to shut him out of your life,your not only hurting the one you "onced" loved ,but you will be making you a different person,one full of anger ,sadness and hate and you will HURT the whole time..and not just for the fact for what he did.. take alook its not anger (for me it wasnt) or hatred ,or embarrassment,it was pure grief.. I hope in my heart you can find some peace with this before it takes control of you,and by the tone of your writing it started.. God bless ya hon,you,your family and your dear brother.. ! RIP BILL and JOHN.. Love and miss you!

That was devastating Bill's Sister, I got watery eyes and had to wait til it cleared before continue to read. What did your other brother die from during christmas week? But you had more reason to be upset at your brother than I have at mine. My brother didn't hurt anyone. he just sinned against the government that has an obsession with drugs. Why do you still feel so bad hurting if you made up with your brother? I really felt sad when I read this. I don't to happen to me what happened to you. Listen, Sister, will you forgive yourself if I forgive my brother and visit and write him as much as I can? I don't know you but I don't want you to go on feeling like this. Lets both get something out of this and lets say you made amends and get over this horrible grief by preventing what happened to you from happening to me. Do you get what im saying? I'm sorry this is late please reply.

[BrandNewGirl]

GC, that's great that you are reaching out to others. Keep the faith.

Nance

[Atalie]

Very good reply GC!