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mjd · #26 11-06-2006, 10:36 AM

It took some time to locate it but I found it again. I have also read the whole 1000+ page manual and found parts of it interesting. Here is the info to prove our statements about the inmates not rec. any interest on the money. I haven't been able to find the part about were all the inmates rec. the $10 and then the ged and no ged come into play but that possibly be in an earlier version. I'll keep looking for that in my spare time.

HOPE THIS HELPS

D3-5.7 Offender Wages and Payroll

See attached File Pages 15 and 16

D3-5.7 Wages - Savings.pdf

MrsPhillips · #27 11-06-2006, 11:00 AM

Thanks Michelle I will check it out.

bbwlisahar · #28 11-06-2006, 11:04 AM

What's the website address that you found the PDF file on? You had to have gotten to a website that allowed you to click on the PDF file. Post that address and then everyone should be able to click on the PDF file from there.

Lisa

MrsPhillips · #29 11-06-2006, 11:08 AM

http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/att...0&d=1162835350 here is the web address the I pulled from the posted PDF. I hope this helps this was the only web address listed in the address box.

Christy · #30 11-06-2006, 11:15 AM

L. Mandatory Savings Accounts for Premium Pay/Work Release Positions
1. Premium pay/work release offenders receiving $10 or more per month will be required to place 10% of gross earnings in her/his mandatory savings as
outlined in D3-5-1

Offender Accounts.
a. The remaining amount of the offender's earnings will be posted to the offender's personal account.
b. The mandatory savings account will be established by the offender finance office.
c. The savings account would not accrue any interest.
d. An offender will only be allowed to transfer funds from her/his saving account prior to her/his release date for the following reasons and
must be in accordance with D3-5.1, F.6.
1. to meet an obligation as ordered by the court;
2. for payment of fines to clear up previous charges, and;
3. for necessary expenses related to community reentry.
e. Capital punishment and life without parole offenders shall be considered exempt from all mandatory savings requirements.
f. These accounts will be established to provide aid to offenders upon their release back

H. Revised Effective Date: 10/07/06

Quote:

Basically the Department will be requiring all offenders who make over $10.00 in wages to save 10 percent of that monthly wage ($1.00 per month). (Those sentenced to capital punishment or life without parole are exempt). Deposits from family members is not to be included. Of course those inmates who earn federal minimum wage or more than $250 per month will be required to save 25 percent of that salary in accordance with Missouri Statute.

This is exactly what I was told by Jeff City. The first part is taken from the link provided and the second quote is from my previous post.

This is a rather new addition to the policy as previously it was not mandatory, but elective.

Yes, it says that no interest will be paid, but it doesn't say that the DOC will/can/does collect either. I am still waiting for the answer on that from Jeff City. I have not had a problem with them there, they have always been honest with me. Everything that I have heard from them turned out true, so I have no reason to believe that they lied to me about this.

I have heard so many rumors about this and that in the past and have learned, the very hard way, that unless something is confirmed or actually takes place, not to believe anything. Things get started so easliy sometimes, and that is why I have tried to get the correct information here for people and so we all don't go off half-cocked with a half-truth. It doesn't serve any purpose that I can think of to get upset or mad about things that, one, we can't control or two, we don't know the truth on.

I know that in my experience I have had no problems with the people in Jeff City. I know there are some that do, and there are more that don't. It's a personal thing and it is case specific. To sit here and tell other members that everyone in Jeff City lies, well, that doesn't do anybody any good. Especially the ones that are new and scared and have nowhere else to turn. There is a constituent service in Jefferson City for all of us that will answer what they can and won't answer what they can't. There are times that they can't help, but I know that almost everytime I have gone to them, I have gotten help or have been referred to someone that can help me. There have been one or two times that they could not help me or wouldn't help me for one reason or another due to security issues, but they are very helpful and will explain to you why they can't help. So to all that are afraid to approach anyone in Central Office, please know that they dont' lie all the time and will look things up as needed. It would be impossible to know all the policies as they change all the time. The one above was just revised in October this year.

mjd · #31 11-06-2006, 11:29 AM

All money collected will be either be sitting in a bank account drawing interest or the DOC will use it to fund other projects and then refund on as needed basis.
With either way the DOC will be earning interest on the money some place.

But that is not the biggest problem I have with this those inmates who do not have support out here need every little bit of money that they rec. to pay for items that they will need. Really if an inmate just has 3 years and gets a $10.00 a month job at the end of it he would have saved a whopping $36.00. What can he really buy with that? So, what does the DOC want them to do with that. maybe purchase their own bus ticket back home. I haven't found the going home policy but I'm sure looking for that.

Why don't you just ask Jeff City if they are going to provide the inmate when they are released from prison. If it's only the money they have saved or if they are still going to provide them with what ever they do as of right now.

I sure would like to know that answer.

tinkr30 · #32 11-06-2006, 12:52 PM

Then you tell me if the policy is so new and hasn't been signed into effect yet, then why it is in a manual that is dated with a revision over a month ago?

Furthermore, just how long have you dealt with them on a continuous basis? My family has dealt with them now for at least 15 years through every policy change they have had in those years. Do not lead people to believe that Jeff City and central office is so open and honest, because they are not. They are trained to protect MoDOC first. I was married into a family for 10 years where every adult member under the age of 55 was empoyed by the MoDOC in one form or another from co to central office. I KNOW how they work.

As far as people on here being scared...well they should be! They should know just exactly what kind of beast they are dealing with.

You can believe everything they tell you and take it like gospel if you like. That it your choice.

I choose not to!

Denise

leeperjeeper · #33 11-06-2006, 01:43 PM

This is a rather new addition to the policy as previously it was not mandatory, but elective. Quote from Christy.

I also have not seen anywhere that the inmates are required to participate. And if they save 10% for a few months that doesn't add up to much, that will be a few dollars more than they already have. Someone with short time is not going to be as interested in the costs of things since his time is almost over. The also find ways of supplementing their state tip in ingenious ways. So be patient and it will work itself out. And if the DOC is collecting interest off the money maybe they will put it back into the services our guys need. Too much is left to speculation right now.

The details to this savings plan are exactly like the phone plan. Lots of rumors and not much fact. The savings plan will not affect as many as you think. And I applaud Christy for taking the time to research out these questions. I have never had any problems either with the state employees. They have been helpful, sympathetic, and have taken the time to listen to what I needed and then would explain why it wasn't possible or who to contact for further help.

mjd · #34 11-06-2006, 01:54 PM

If you Would have taken the time to read my post I have attached the DOC Policy and yes they will be starting to take 10% @ SECC, Charleston starting Jan 1, 2007

PTO-29412 · #35 11-06-2006, 02:53 PM

OK - To everyone - This entire thread as some good discussion going on - however PTO is not a debate forum. We do not attack others members for bringing forward information that they have been given, we simply accept that information look at it, comment and move on.

Any further post that are anything less than friendly and positive, and beneficial will result in this thread being closed.

IF the DOC is getting intrest off of this money - noone can prove it, nor can you prove that they aren't.

If anyone has any information on a DOC policy manaul that can be found online - please let myself or Christy know about this information.

It may be 1000 pages, but we can post that on PTO and it will be beneficial to all members. We are all adults here - and there is no reason for us to get upset over a savings plan which in many states is a wonderful thing and very helpful and beneficial.

If you feel so strongly against this, do not attack each other here, but go and lobby to have this changed, prove that it isn't beneficial, show statistics of why it isn't going to work.

PTO-29412 · #36 11-06-2006, 02:57 PM

Quote:

to all that are afraid to approach anyone in Central Office, please know that they dont' lie all the time and will look things up as needed. It would be impossible to know all the policies as they change all the time.

I also believe that the DOC doesn't lie, cheat, and try and steal everyone blind. I deal with many different DOC's across the country, and have found most all to be friendly, helpful, and very knowledgeable. Many times they do not know every policy that has been revised etc. and if they tell you something that is wrong it is many times in error.

Thanks Christy for taking the time to research this information for all of us and posting it. Things like this helps to compare with what you may already know about the DOC etc.

mjd · #37 11-06-2006, 02:58 PM

I have attached the file with the policy up abouve. If you can't open it then please PM me.

Thanks

leeperjeeper · #38 11-06-2006, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjd

The manual is on the internet in PDF format so there is no web addres to link it to. At SECC they will start with holding 10% for the inmates

"If you Would have taken the time to read my post I have attached the DOC Policy and yes they will be starting to take 10% @ SECC, Charleston starting Jan 1, 2007"

I am glad you posted your last reply because I did read your first post and it said nothing about the date they would start in SECC.

mjd · #39 11-06-2006, 08:24 PM

Thats good I hope that you can open the file

Christy · #40 11-07-2006, 09:20 AM

I had an email late yesterday telling me that they are looking into who, if anyone, would receive interest on this savings. As soon as I get that answer, I will post it.

MrsPhillips · #41 11-07-2006, 09:32 AM

Thanks Christy, your awsome. :-)

Christy · #42 11-08-2006, 11:28 AM

Here is the answer I got from Jeff City regarding the interest for this savings plan:

Quote:

The money collected for offender mandatory savings will be housed in the Inmate Account Fund. This fund is a non-interest bearing account.

Hope that helps clear things up!

MrsPhillips · #43 11-08-2006, 01:41 PM

Well that is good to know.

mjd · #44 11-13-2006, 12:19 PM

Overall the idea is a good one but to start at $10.00 is way to low to force them to save. They should up the amount to The $1.00 could buy then 5 cans of soup or even 1 bar of soap and 1 can of soup.

This plan should be forced on those who are making hourly wages or make over $500.00 a month.