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brattm · #**851** 04-22-2010, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by LamontLover

what?! convicted? aint he already locked up? okay, talking about taking the gas out of the car and you need to go to WALMART... what next? making them pay for the cotton pickin air they breathe?! My God...

HELLO BLUE BALLS!! i had a friend that went to to er because he was hurting. the doc told him that he needed to masterbate

yes the doc actually told him that. i think they have the rite to at least be able to do that much. at least they arent being rude and crude and sexually harrassing the female gaurds, or havin sex with each other and spreding deseases that tax payers have to pay to treat. COME ON HAVE A LITTLE HUMANITY

PhilB · #**852** 04-28-2010, 02:01 AM

I could just imagine an offender coming back from Medical with a note to the COs to "Let Him Masturbate" !!

If it worked, they all would be signing up for Medical.........

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Kemo'sWife · #**853** 04-28-2010, 03:36 AM

I think if there in there cell all by themselves, the celly aint there then why the hell Not??? I mean my god there not allowed the touch of there girlfriends or wives and they get everything else taken from them why make them suffer anymore than they have to??? Its crazy!!! I mean no wonder a lot of men in prison are stressed out so badly just let the poor souls releive themselves they aint hurting nobody

retired - 666 · #**854** 04-29-2010, 06:45 PM

I say yes....but only if they mop the floors often as it could possibly lead to more slips and falls.

tama1961 · #**855** 05-01-2010, 11:47 PM

[quote=ann3;3168742]Recently in the News, A Florida inmate was convicted of masturbating while alone in his jail cell, and is only one of eight cases being prosecuted. All were charged by a female deputy monitoring jail security cameras.

abajournal.com/news/eight_inmates_in_prison_masturbation_case/

A friend of mine, her husband is in a MI prison, and this is an issue for them.

Do you feel the prison should have control over private sexual activity, and the loss of those privileges be a part of the punishment for being in prison?

OR

Should private sex acts be a human right , and laws now prohibiting masturbation in prisons or jails be abolished?[/quote

Wow, it's goona happen a lot...they are human beings for god sakes!

xxtyvmxx · #**856** 05-11-2010, 03:56 PM

Surely it's a completely natural thing us 'humans' do if were alone and have noone to share our bodies and needs with.
I personally cannot understand why it is not allowed if it's done in private, does not hurt/harm or include anyone else but maybe those in charge don't want inmates to have even a natural/basic pleasure if at least for a short time, madness, absolute madness it is!!

orlielg · #**857** 05-12-2010, 05:47 AM

As a person who has been to prison and masturbated as a way to relieve stress. I would say that the people who made that decision must be nuts. How dare they punish someone for doing some thing that is so natural for men and women alike. As long no one else is hurt or involved, then I see no problemo.

gia1955 · #**858** 05-12-2010, 07:41 AM

I must reply to this. My mouth is still opened! DUH? What do these people who are charging the inmates who are masterbating do when they go home? Has anyone asked them. It is HUMAN NATURE and NATURAL to Masturbate. Would they prefer that our Men release their sexual tension in an unnatural way? Masterbation has been said to release endophine that reduce stress, encourage sleep, and helps relieve depression. So why not? These LAWS need to be CHANGED. Sorry for the caps I am not yelling at anyone here, I am angry with the Law and the System. Now how do we get the Law changed. Bitchin and venting and complaining here is all fine and good, but we can and should be doing more to help our Men by contacting our state representatives on this Issue and kickin up some sand to remove this ridulous Law. Anyone with me on this?

Numb · #**859** 05-15-2010, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cronesong;[FONT=Courier New

3168877[/font]]Absolutely such laws should be abolished
I find it absolutely ludicrous that anyone can possibly be charged for masturbating in the privacy of his cell

Oh hang on a minute....... is there more to this than meets the eye ?

If as ' ohwhatacruise ' says and inmates use this to sexually harass or intimidate the female officers and if the inmates were deliberately jacking off to the cameras perhaps knowing there was a female CO watching ?

well then I can understand them being charged

Yes I'm sure the intimidation happens. What I don't understand there are cameras in the cel 24/7??? Is that legal? I thought cameras could only be in a cell for medical reasons. The problem is a law like this can be abused. Then the inmate is stuck with new charge and must register as a so once released. Crazy!!

PhilB · #**860** 05-16-2010, 01:35 AM

You must realize that once you are in prison you are the property of the state with very few civil rights such as a right to adequate medical care, adequate food and access to legal materials.

The prison can monitor your activities 24/7 by whatever means they feel necessary. This includes checking of all mail going in or out, monitoring all telephone calls, monitoring sound in all areas including cells and video monitoring anywhere they please. With so many inmates making weapons in their cells or assaulting their cellmates there is plenty of justification. They also monitor sound and use video monitoring in visiting areas.

The primary purpose of all this is for the safety of the inmates as well as the staff and the security of the institution.

The masturbation issue can only be resolved in an appeal to the courts after the inmate has been charged or infracted and punished by the institution. Since policies may not be grieved there is no need to go through the grievance procedure. By taking it to court the inmate can introduce medical professionals to testify that masturbation is a natural act and not harmful. The whole policy is based on masturbation being a form of self mutilation and harmful to the person. The court would have to shoot down the policy if the case is presented properly.

Inmates determined to be intentionally masturbating to harass a staff person would still be subject to disciplinary action.

kaupokas · #**861** 05-27-2010, 05:35 PM

isnt it punishable? if inmate masturbates in presence of c/o

kaupokas · #**862** 05-27-2010, 05:37 PM

it should be allowed but im afraid that law is just the opposite.

dedicated2glen · #**863** 05-30-2010, 01:40 PM

my fiance said that one of his friends got a right up for sexual harrasment on his self? i think it is crazy. it is a natural thing and my man needs to. if they arent fighting or causing trouble hell let them masturbate all they want too. i think the prison system can be so stupid. i cant wait till my baby comes home then there will be no need for masturbation. he will have me

Missingmyman76 · #**864** 05-30-2010, 05:44 PM

This is f ing nuts. No pun intended. My ex is in prison and he says he does it in the shower, b/c if he gets caught it means more time. that is f ing nuts. My b/f--fiancee whatever hes being called at the moment is also in prison and has been for almost 3 months and if i knew he wouldn't get in trouble I would beg him to do it b/c the boy needs to relieve some pressure. I had my first visit with him yesterday and today he came out looking all ill and so did the guy before him. Seriously if they could relieve themsleves we wouldn't have so much shit going on. I mean doing it in the cell in " private" why not--whats it hurting? Shoot I wish my man was home b/c I would take care of it for him but hell if hes thinking aobut me and not getting hard up(sorry again no pun intended) then I would seriously wonder whats wrong? My bf is not a sexual person anyways so I guess that is why he hasn't tried yet, but you have to do it sometime. Nikki P.S. We have some of the most interesting and weird conversations on this website. LOL!!!!!!

Cikala · #**865** 05-31-2010, 05:05 AM

Muhahahaha this poll is too funny: how can someone forbid something - and this by rules and law - that is a natural thing and given to everybody by birth... the human beings are determined to breed and this is why they have a natural sexdrive and the men do not give it away on a prison gate. It is still there and will ever.

Cikala · #**866** 05-31-2010, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by PhilB

You must realize that once you are in prison you are the property of the state with very few civil rights such as a right to adequate medical care, adequate food and access to legal materials.

The prison can monitor your activities 24/7 by whatever means they feel necessary. This includes checking of all mail going in or out, monitoring all telephone calls, monitoring sound in all areas including cells and video monitoring anywhere they please. With so many inmates making weapons in their cells or assaulting their cellmates there is plenty of justification. They also monitor sound and use video monitoring in visiting areas.

The primary purpose of all this is for the safety of the inmates as well as the staff and the security of the institution.

The masturbation issue can only be resolved in an appeal to the courts after the inmate has been charged or infracted and punished by the institution. Since policies may not be grieved there is no need to go through the grievance procedure. By taking it to court the inmate can introduce medical professionals to testify that masturbation is a natural act and not harmful. The whole policy is based on masturbation being a form of self mutilation and harmful to the person. The court would have to shoot down the policy if the case is presented properly.

Inmates determined to be intentionally masturbating to harass a staff person would still be subject to disciplinary action.

Nobody is anyones property. or is this slavery?? And nobody can determine a person to masturbate or not. The guys do it anyway forbidden or not.

foreverus1931 · #**867** 05-31-2010, 02:37 PM

I think that it should be perfectly fine for them to do it.. Because they have needs the same way women do. And its apart of life.. And as long as it is not in a disrespectful way.. Then it should be fine...

PhilB · #**868** 05-31-2010, 04:14 PM

Cikala

"Nobody is anyones property. or is this slavery?? And nobody can determine a person to masturbate or not. The guys do it anyway forbidden or not."

When your activities are programed by the prison and you have to get permission to do activities outside of their program you learn that your life is not yours anymore to do as you please. When the prison assigns you a job often without pay or only a few cents an hr or day, are you not slave labor?
When I was young, I worked at a dog kennel. Comparing the two, (and I did 89 months in prison) now I can see very little difference in the ultimate control of an inmate. Prisons have a rule or policy on everything! Including how you treat or "manipulate" your body. It's their way of reminding you that you are theirs now...

LoveOnlineNKS · #**869** 05-31-2010, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rupert81

I agree with your point that prisoners should not be allowed to masturbate in a public area, in complete disregard for how other inmates and male correctional officers feel about this. But I have to ask, if I read your post correctly: why on earth are there female correctional officers in an area where they can see nude male inmates showering? Isn't this just as degrading and uncomfortable to the male inmates as it would be if one of their cell mates happened to be masturbating in front of them in the shower? Maybe I'm a prude, but male inmates should only be naked in front of male correctional officers, not females.

Female CO's need to be everywhere the inmates are, including the shower area, it's part of their job. Should they leer and disrespect the inmates-absolutely not. But the same goes for men that work in female prisons. It probrably is embarrasing (to say the least) but I'm sure there are more humiliating things that happen when you're incarcerated than a woman standing next/over you while you shower. I would think that having to shower with other men or even having someone tell you when you can/can't shower would be more emasculating.

LoveOnlineNKS · #**870** 05-31-2010, 04:40 PM

Of course masturbation should be allowed! To even suggest otherwise is beyond unrealistic. Yes, there are inmates that are vulgar and disrespectful about it. But to make a blanket rule or be prosecuted for it is a waste of time and money. You lock someone up for years at a time (or for life), with little or no ability to have any type of private connection with the person you're involved with (family or otherwise), you have no other outlet to express your feelings (good or bad) and now you can't masturbate?!?! That seems like double jeporady to me! You can't have sex with each other, the staff or the person you're in a relationship with and now you can't even do it with yourself-WTF?

On a personal note - I can't imagine how hostile and wired I would be if I couldn't do it.

Cikala · #**871** 05-31-2010, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PhilB

Cikala

"Nobody is anyones property. or is this slavery?? And nobody can determine a person to masturbate or not. The guys do it anyway forbidden or not."

When your activities are programed by the prison and you have to get permission to do activities outside of their program you learn that your life is not yours anymore to do as you please. When the prison assigns you a job often without pay or only a few cents an hr or day, are you not slave labor?
When I was young, I worked at a dog kennel. Comparing the two, (and I did 89 months in prison) now I can see very little difference in the ultimate control of an inmate. Prisons have a rule or policy on everything! Including how you treat or "manipulate" your body. It's their way of reminding you that you are theirs now...

I do understand what you mean. WHen you are in prison you lose your freedom but not your human rights. If they are denied from you then the prisoner has the right to complain. Of course its not correct to pay them little or nothing and this is slave labor and its not right. But all of that doesnt make a person - a human being, a living person, to a property of an institution or authority.
COme on I mean: just cos I go to work and dont get paid the amount that I should to support myself that doesnt mean My boss owns me or I am property of the company I work for.. I am just lowpaid employer. LOL

PhilB · #**872** 06-01-2010, 12:26 AM

Cikala

On the outside you can quit and change jobs as you please. In prison if you quit a job or stop showing up you get an infraction for refusing to program and will likely do time in the hole. So in many respects, you have no real choices. Your civil rights are down to basic health care and access to legal materials and assistance.

Personal activities such as masturbation are treated as an abuse of your body, though various states address it in different ways. They still make a basic human function a crime if for nothing else just to show you that you are theirs now and they will control everything.

This is where the term "institutionalized" comes from. You go into prison thinking you still have many rights. A bad social club with bad rooms, bad food and bad recreation if any. Over time they wear you down and soon you become drone. Everything is programed for you, soon it's hard to tell the days apart. Any deviancy from their program and rules is an infraction which can result in loss of classification level, loss of a job and time in the hole. Once a person has lived like that for a number of years it is difficult to transition back into society upon release.

It does produce stress living in the prison environment, and for many this results in masturbation. Being caught at this only creates more stress because of the consequences.

it should not be a violation as long as it is done in the privacy of your cell or in the shower, if there even is such as thing as privacy, and not done with the intent of being seen by female staff as some form of arousal.

But prisons have a problem with the concept of privacy because that is where other things happen, usually involving more than one person.

GemKitty · #**873** 06-01-2010, 01:41 AM

Not to make light of the situation, but dang! You'd think allowing masturbation would DECREASE the frustration/aggression of the inmates.

Mitch67 · #**874** 06-01-2010, 02:34 AM

I am surprised that this debate is still raging. I still don't get the problem. If someone wants to masturbate and they don't do it with the intention of offending anyone or making anyone feel uncomfortable how can that even be an issue?

Surely in the USA the leader of the free world even prisoners have some basic human rights don't they?

Cikala · #**875** 06-01-2010, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by PhilB

Cikala

On the outside you can quit and change jobs as you please. In prison if you quit a job or stop showing up you get an infraction for refusing to program and will likely do time in the hole. So in many respects, you have no real choices. Your civil rights are down to basic health care and access to legal materials and assistance.

Personal activities such as masturbation are treated as an abuse of your body, though various states address it in different ways. They still make a basic human function a crime if for nothing else just to show you that you are theirs now and they will control everything.

This is where the term "institutionalized" comes from. You go into prison thinking you still have many rights. A bad social club with bad rooms, bad food and bad recreation if any. Over time they wear you down and soon you become drone. Everything is programed for you, soon it's hard to tell the days apart. Any deviancy from their program and rules is an infraction which can result in loss of classification level, loss of a job and time in the hole. Once a person has lived like that for a number of years it is difficult to transition back into society upon release.

It does produce stress living in the prison environment, and for many this results in masturbation. Being caught at this only creates more stress because of the consequences.

it should not be a violation as long as it is done in the privacy of your cell or in the shower, if there even is such as thing as privacy, and not done with the intent of being seen by female staff as some form of arousal.

But prisons have a problem with the concept of privacy because that is where other things happen, usually involving more than one person.

Well. Let me say, not exactly here you cant quit your job as you please cos when you do that you get into trouble: they put a block on you for 3 months for unemployment money - unless you have another job at hand. So you are pretty much stuck on your job until you find another one. Or you have a huge amount of money on your account that you can live from till you find something else.

The rest - this is prison. You lose some privilegs and your frieedom. Thats how law does punish people who violated it. But you dont lose civil rights nor human rights - in fact you can go and do anything against it.

For masturbation - pls read what I have already said to it, I dont want to repeat it. Its a natural thing that cant be forbidden by any law or something whatever, its a g iven thing by birth - period! Prison staff or officials may like it or not but thats just how it is. ANd I tell you: the men do it anyway, allowed or forbidden and some do not care if they get caught or not.

For my husband and this is I say just cos I speak for him cos I do know him. He does it cos he is horny. LOL. For no other reason, not to reliease stress he has with being in prison, or has trouble with inmates/staff etc.. no he simple and plain does it when and cos he is horny for me and I do all my best I can and all I can to make him keep this going. In fact I want him to do that as much as he can, as often as he can and as long as he can. It keeps his body healthy in many ways: he wont get prostate cancer nor will he have any emotional trouble cos he is in balance physically, mentally and psychically - he is just simple and plain relaxed, happy and in content and balance with himself and the environment he lives in. SO he can do his time and survive it in a healthy way. He is in for 11 years now and they still didnt break him or have him institutionalized. I do understand that term, he told me about some guys he "lives" with and from what he said, some are. But definitely he is not. And this isnt his first prison time. I have no idea where he draws his strength from but maybe it is from his native roots - and of course from me a little bit when I am allowed to say that without sounding vein

cos I push him ahead when he gets weak and wants to throw the towel in, I pick him up and tell him to walk ahead cos I am here walking by his side.

Oh btw. if you wonder why I express myself in another way and say things - I am from and in Germany. Things here are differen tabout prison. Staff is not allowed to abuse prisoners and violate their human and civil rights in what form ever. They are more free in some prisons and can do far more things in them than you would think. Its just they are not free people and can leave the area and house - unless its for work. They have duties to fulfill jus like going to work and do their job. Some do job training or finish school and graduate - they have a regular day schedule - something that some never knew or had in their lives and here is the first time they get to feel what this is. Monitoring them by video around the clock is definitely a no go in prisons. Except for emergency, certain institutions or facilities or for a certain purpose like emergency or cos they are very violent and a danger to themselves or the public or prison and other inmates they live with. A little bit of total different than US prisons. I am not saying its all perfect here cos its not. Its just the treatment of inmates here is different - depends on the instituion. We have high security prisons too. But no supermax or a lockdwon for around the clock, cells are different with equipment and video visits? A total impossible tihng here.

One good thing about US prisons is: they are much more generous than they are here with that. While I can come to visit my husband and get special visits that are 6 hrs every day (weekend 4 days per weekend day) and I stay 2 weeks... german prisons do not offer such visiting times.

I hope you now see where I am coming from and why I am having such a problem with this stupid masturbation rule and regulation in american prisons cos this is a total unknown thing here. I have seen a documentary about a male prison and one of the guys was doing a 25 year life sentence - he has nude poster on his custody room (its not called a "cell" here but custody room and they look more comfortable than I know this from US prisons when it is a normal prison. Mind you - ijust speak about GENERAL POPULATION inmates here. Others might be handled strcter but I doubt its that strict as it is for Ad.seg inmates.

Just like I say: I hope you now see where I am coming from