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Muneca_Azteca · #76 04-15-2010, 09:54 AM

Yeah, my man is currently in the hole, too. He was just confirmed "validated" as being a so called "active gang member" and being an associate of supposedly the Mexican Mafia. So if he's in the hole for validation, they probably have him there b/c they have three reasons to validate him....something that connects him to another gang member (so called) (pictures, symbols, direct links, letters, etc.) He might be in the hole from 45 to 60 days or more until they investigate the whole situation. So now you will only be able to see him for one hour thru a damn glass. Yeah, i know that sucks.
Now that we are on the subject does anyone know if someone who is in the hole/ad seg ...if they give them there max time. My man was supposed to get out in 4 months, now he is afraid they might give him his max time which is in Nov. 2011!

I called and they told me since he didn't hurt anyone and it wasn't a disiplinary reason then it should't affect his release date (4 months). Does anyone know if this is correct?

Joy Juego · #77 07-25-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kathy

http://www.sfgov.org/site/uploadedfi...1/r0635-01.pdf

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=101501841

May I suggest contacting Prison Focus who sells a Manual on Gang Validation. At one time they would mail it to the Inmate, but I think it is NO LONGER getting into the Prison's.

Gang Validation Manual ©2004 ($20)

How do I go about getting a hold of Prison Focus to purchase this book, and why isn't it allowed back in the prisons?

KLINUS · #78 07-25-2010, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Joy Juego

How do I go about getting a hold of Prison Focus to purchase this book, and why isn't it allowed back in the prisons?

Joy,
I just sent a copy of this to a friend in Cali-pat. It's been about two weeks and it hasn't came back yet. He's been in ad-seg at Cali-Pat for the last 2 1/2 years fighting validation on a GP yard. No TV, no music, very strict on mail. He's going stir crazy. I am on my way home from visiting and I didn't find a copy on my computer. I must have it on a disc at home. PM me your email and I will send it to you.

K

HisSugarPie · #79 07-25-2010, 08:27 PM

Hello All,

I was just wondering if there was a way to find out if your inmate had decided to debrief? I went to visit MRD on Saturday (he is in SHU, validated and all that though I think he was trying to fight that). He ended up having his housing moved. He is still at the same prison, but was moved to the other SHU yard. This new yard has sections for ADA, Chronic Illness and validated gang members who decide to debrief.

I don't think MRD decided to debrief, on the other hand I'm pretty damn sure he isn't sick. I'm just really worried and would love to get some answers without having to write to him and wait the three weeks for his return letter. Thanks for any information you can give.

Luv Hurts · #80 07-25-2010, 08:31 PM

One reason he could be placed in the hole is because he is debriefing but not speaking. They will keep him in the hole to see who he talks to and who he associates with. After so long he will finally be let out if he is showing he cut all ties. A lot of people think when in inmate debriefs they are ratting, snitching or releasing info to the prison. This is not always the case, many debrief and just do not say anything.

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Originally Posted by Just4MRD

Hello All,

I was just wondering if there was a way to find out if your inmate had decided to debrief? I went to visit MRD on Saturday (he is in SHU, validated and all that though I think he was trying to fight that). He ended up having his housing moved. He is still at the same prison, but was moved to the other SHU yard. This new yard has sections for ADA, Chronic Illness and validated gang members who decide to debrief.

I don't think MRD decided to debrief, on the other hand I'm pretty damn sure he isn't sick. I'm just really worried and would love to get some answers without having to write to him and wait the three weeks for his return letter. Thanks for any information you can give.

HisSugarPie · #81 07-25-2010, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Luv Hurts

One reason he could be placed in the hole is because he is debriefing but not speaking. They will keep him in the hole to see who he talks to and who he associates with. After so long he will finally be let out if he is showing he cut all ties. A lot of people think when in inmate debriefs they are ratting, snitching or releasing info to the prison. This is not always the case, many debrief and just do not say anything.

Luv, thank you again for the information! I didn't realize you don't have to say anything in order to debrief. That would definitely be something he would consider doing. On the other hand, he only has a year left on this bid and has been in the SHU for this entire bid (over 20 months already). Hell, maybe I'm wrong and he is trying to turn himself around. I'm going to pray that is the case and it isn't something like AIDS or anything crazy. I know that my worries are worse than the actual facts.

JaneDoe007 · #82 07-25-2010, 10:24 PM

My ex told me that after getting, I believe he said 3 points from IGS, you are considered a validated gang member and you will spend the rest of your time in the shu or ad seg. it's an indeterminate sentence. So, if he goes in again he will go to the shu or ad seg. because he is considered to be validated.

HisSugarPie · #83 07-25-2010, 10:32 PM

Him being validated is honestly not the issue. I have no right to judge him for the choices he made because I did not lead his life. This bid is an indeterminate SHU term, he was picked up on a parole violation and his last bid was a SHU bid as well. I believe he has done time at Pelican Bay SHU, but that was before I met him. The thing that really freaks me out is that he is now in a SHU yard for debrief or Chronic Illness and I don't know which it is. He has talked about trying to get his validation overturned and how he is "too old for this sh!t" any more, but it wasn't something he talked about often and I figured it was a pipe dream. Maybe he is trying to clean up and be better.

Luv Hurts · #84 07-25-2010, 11:09 PM

Honey, it sounds like he is debriefing and he isn't saying anything. I highly doubt he is in for a medical condition.

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Originally Posted by Just4MRD

Him being validated is honestly not the issue. I have no right to judge him for the choices he made because I did not lead his life. This bid is an indeterminate SHU term, he was picked up on a parole violation and his last bid was a SHU bid as well. I believe he has done time at Pelican Bay SHU, but that was before I met him. The thing that really freaks me out is that he is now in a SHU yard for debrief or Chronic Illness and I don't know which it is. He has talked about trying to get his validation overturned and how he is "too old for this sh!t" any more, but it wasn't something he talked about often and I figured it was a pipe dream. Maybe he is trying to clean up and be better.

HisSugarPie · #85 07-26-2010, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Luv Hurts

Honey, it sounds like he is debriefing and he isn't saying anything. I highly doubt he is in for a medical condition.

I'm sure you are right Luv and thank you for the support. I will be talking to Sara Malone about the visiting thing and hopefully I can speak with his counselor today to get his new housing address. I will just have to wait patiently for his letter, lol. Thank you so much!

Luv Hurts · #86 07-26-2010, 10:28 AM

Call records qndask for his housing.

HisSugarPie · #87 07-26-2010, 03:52 PM

LOL, Luv, you read my mind. I called them at 8:00 this morning because I rememberd "duh" records knows where he is. Sometimes being so new to this stuff and then having a "freak-out" moment is not helpful. MRD has a letter and a post card in the mail this morning.

Bashersgirl · #88 09-05-2010, 12:18 AM

My particular question is are there any particular tattoos that will now gain validation point? My husband has a few typical southern Hispanic tattoos that he got will doing his first term in 94'. My fear is will all the new validation stuff going on a simple 16 year old tattoo may put him over on points. Because right now
With my calculations he'll end up being a level 1 with one point to spare.

mrs.grumps · #89 09-06-2010, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bashersgirl

My particular question is are there any particular tattoos that will now gain validation point? My husband has a few typical southern Hispanic tattoos that he got will doing his first term in 94'. My fear is will all the new validation stuff going on a simple 16 year old tattoo may put him over on points. Because right now
With my calculations he'll end up being a level 1 with one point to spare.

Gang validation points have nothing to do with the inmates points level. Two totally different issues.

Tuesday123 · #90 09-06-2010, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by negretelove

\what happens to an inmate that has been validated......
they are labeled and the prison staff will watch their activity closely, if found to be a threat "shot caller" or can be linked to a violent criminal act for that gang (while in custody) they can be placed in the SHU for an undetermined amount of time (not all are in the SHU), this will affect housing, transfers, annuals, and parole stips will be added due to the validation, etc....

It was my understanding as a result of what my fiance went through, is that if they are determined to be in a gang, (validated) that is an automatic shu term.

Maybe I didnt get the whole story, His last bid he was in corcoran shu waiting on a bed in pelican bay shu but it was full, then he was paroled.

I havent heard about being validated then having their activities watched before determining if shu would be administered.

mrs.grumps · #91 09-07-2010, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by lil_athena

It was my understanding as a result of what my fiance went through, is that if they are determined to be in a gang, (validated) that is an automatic shu term.

Maybe I didnt get the whole story, His last bid he was in corcoran shu waiting on a bed in pelican bay shu but it was full, then he was paroled.

I havent heard about being validated then having their activities watched before determining if shu would be administered.

You are correct.. all validated inmates have an automatic indeterminate SHU term.

suzie gal · #92 10-03-2010, 09:07 PM

I have a few questions that I hope someone can help me out with...

What is the difference between the SHU, AD-SEG or the HOLE

If someone gets moved to CIM Chino AD-SEG, and is under inveastigation, and gets validated can he stay at Chino, or does he get moved???

Once validated, do they make you stay for 100% of your sentence?? or do you keep your release date??

Thanks

keysgirl · #93 10-03-2010, 10:11 PM

Ad Seg or The Hole is the disciplinary housing that exist in most every prison. Inmates are housed their while awaiting adjudication of 115's or while being investigations are being conducted.

The SHU is the Security Housing Unit where "extreme" disciplinary problems and validated gang members are housed. All validated gang members aren't housed in the SHU usually those who are high ranking or heavily involved in gang activity. Also, they can only be validated for specific gang which are recognized by CDCR as prison gangs. For example Bloods and Crips are well known street gangs yet only recognized as disruptive groups by CDCR.

Hope this helps.

mrs.grumps · #94 10-04-2010, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by suzie gal

I have a few questions that I hope someone can help me out with...

What is the difference between the SHU, AD-SEG or the HOLE

If someone gets moved to CIM Chino AD-SEG, and is under inveastigation, and gets validated can he stay at Chino, or does he get moved???

Once validated, do they make you stay for 100% of your sentence?? or do you keep your release date??

Thanks

Once the validation is official (member or associate), yes the inmate will receive an indeterminate SHU sentence. He may stay @ Chino until a bed at a SHU facility opens up. In our case he lose his remaining good time.

Validation sucks...stay strong!

suzie gal · #95 10-04-2010, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mrs.grumps

Once the validation is official (member or associate), yes the inmate will receive an indeterminate SHU sentence. He may stay @ Chino until a bed at a SHU facility opens up. In our case he lose his remaining good time.

Validation sucks...stay strong!

what if he stays in the hole, will he still only need to do his 85% time?????????? He is has to do 85% and has 2 years left. What if he doesnt get validated?? Than what happens?? oh and how long does this process take??? Thank you so very much for all your
help.

mrs.grumps · #96 10-05-2010, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by suzie gal

what if he stays in the hole, will he still only need to do his 85% time?????????? He is has to do 85% and has 2 years left. What if he doesnt get validated?? Than what happens?? oh and how long does this process take??? Thank you so very much for all your
help.

Every case is different regarding the good time credits, so I'm not sure about your inmates 85%. If he is not validated he will be released from the Ad-seg. It takes a few months for the validation investigation to be complete.
In our case the loss of good time credits ONLY affected the time remaining on his sentence at the time of validation, which at the time was 9 months.

ajrdn · #97 10-28-2010, 04:55 PM

Well I know a few people who ARE validated and they are spending the rest of their time in the SHU, and those who ARE getting out, will go back into the SHU if re-encarcerated. Now for those who are Lifer's, remain in the SHU. Also, if they're Lifer's, I heard they have no chance of being found suitable for release if they go to Parole Hearing....Read it in a Lawyer's website. Good luck, try getting a lawyer to try to fight it if he hasn't been validated yet.....

babylove30 · #98 12-06-2010, 12:06 PM

Ok so my man is out in about 10 months. I just got word that they are trying to validate him. I am aware of what this means but I'm not aware of the condtions surrounding it.will they add time to his sentence? Will his release date change?he also wanted me to send him paper work on his rights in the vaildation process I went to one site and they said they are out of books untill feb.I cannot wait that long. Does anyone know where else I can get info..also I am limited to access being that I'm on a mobile phone...please help me if yyou can....

Staying*Strong*05 · #99 06-14-2011, 01:36 PM

Hi Ladies..... So my husband is in Pleasant Valley and just received his Validation packet 2 weeks ago :'(

Looks like they have 4 points against him which they only need 3 like most of you of course already know.... he stated he is arguing 2 of the points but who knows if they will accept the arguments. So now we are looking at him having to Max out till 2020!!!!! Wow right now his thoughts are .. "Are you staying or leaving?" Im like when did this become an Option?

So where is there any any information about this whole validation and what not?

mrs.grumps · #**100** 06-14-2011, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Staying*Strong*05

Hi Ladies..... So my husband is in Pleasant Valley and just received his Validation packet 2 weeks ago :'(

Looks like they have 4 points against him which they only need 3 like most of you of course already know.... he stated he is arguing 2 of the points but who knows if they will accept the arguments. So now we are looking at him having to Max out till 2020!!!!! Wow right now his thoughts are .. "Are you staying or leaving?" Im like when did this become an Option?

So where is there any any information about this whole validation and what not?

If he is arguing the points now while they are still investigating it can work in his favor. My husband took his appeal all the way to Sacramento, the problem was that he waited until the validation was official to appeal so once its done then its pretty much set.

I wish you the best!