I messed up, another man!!! :(

[Indylissa]

If my post offended, it was not meant to. I am truly worried for you and what happens when he gets out if he can't control his anger. He may go too far one day and then where would your kids be? That doesn't mean that you are a bad mother at all, I am quite sure that you are a wonderful mother and very protective of your children. However, staying in an abusive relationship is not healthy.

People on this site see a thread like this and they immediately want to offer their opinions because they have either (a) been through it or (b) have been around someone that has been through it. They are trying to offer constructive criticism, some are just a lot more blunt then others.

Until you are ready to leave though, nothing anyone can say or do will change your course. I would just suggest that you take into account the fact that this is not a healthy relationship and that it could get really bad when he gets out. All it takes is one time that he goes overboard and that's it. However, like I said, until you are ready to leave, you are going to defend this relationship through and through.

Yes, you do have a real relationship, it may not be healthy, but it is yours. The original question was should you tell him or not. Given the volatility in your relationship, I highly doubt that would serve to benefit you right now. I assume that if you tell him face to face, he's going to go crazy even locked up and if he lashes out at you during a visit, it will cost you future visits and him probably more time added to his sentence. Think about that.

I will say this again, you did nothing wrong, not really. A kiss is just a kiss, you haven't followed through with anything, haven't even talked to the guy again, so don't beat yourself up too badly. I would strongly suggest that if you are worried about it happening again, do not have any one on one time with another guy. That will solve the problem.

No one is saying you are a bad person or a bad mother, really people are just wanting you to see how dangerous this relationship can be.

[missjax]

I get what ur saying but obviously urs not listening. I appricate you taking ur time to reply. You bashing my parention bc i stay with him doesn't make sence to me hes not around right now the kids were not around for that fighting. We dont argue on the daily when hes out just while in jail bc hes insecure. I am not insecure by anymeans i have said several times in post i know i deserve better n it wouldn't be hard to meet someone new im not ugly by any means. I dont wnna be with anyone anytime soon if i leave him. Duh i know the baby doesn't understand what he said it ws the fact he said it to her. You dont talk bad about the other parent to the child.

[missjax]

Originally Posted by Indylissa

If my post offended, it was not meant to. I am truly worried for you and what happens when he gets out if he can't control his anger. He may go too far one day and then where would your kids be? That doesn't mean that you are a bad mother at all, I am quite sure that you are a wonderful mother and very protective of your children. However, staying in an abusive relationship is not healthy.

People on this site see a thread like this and they immediately want to offer their opinions because they have either (a) been through it or (b) have been around someone that has been through it. They are trying to offer constructive criticism, some are just a lot more blunt then others.

Until you are ready to leave though, nothing anyone can say or do will change your course. I would just suggest that you take into account the fact that this is not a healthy relationship and that it could get really bad when he gets out. All it takes is one time that he goes overboard and that's it. However, like I said, until you are ready to leave, you are going to defend this relationship through and through.

Yes, you do have a real relationship, it may not be healthy, but it is yours. The original question was should you tell him or not. Given the volatility in your relationship, I highly doubt that would serve to benefit you right now. I assume that if you tell him face to face, he's going to go crazy even locked up and if he lashes out at you during a visit, it will cost you future visits and him probably more time added to his sentence. Think about that.

I will say this again, you did nothing wrong, not really. A kiss is just a kiss, you haven't followed through with anything, haven't even talked to the guy again, so don't beat yourself up too badly. I would strongly suggest that if you are worried about it happening again, do not have any one on one time with another guy. That will solve the problem.

No one is saying you are a bad person or a bad mother, really people are just wanting you to see how dangerous this relationship can be.

Ur post wasn't the one that bothered me but no i dont plan on leaving him i plan on being here to support him emotional while he gets help. I didnt tell him to get help he recognizes his own faults. I told him friday after making him wait a week to talk to me if he treats me in any way shape or form like i shouldnt be respected or like a piece of poo n not a lady ill block phone n be done im standing up for me now i never used to. I have 5 months without him so far i miss him maybe the next month it will be different but i love him n miss him right now

[Indylissa]

Originally Posted by missjax

Ur post wasn't the one that bothered me but no i dont plan on leaving him i plan on being here to support him emotional while he gets help. I didnt tell him to get help he recognizes his own faults. I told him friday after making him wait a week to talk to me if he treats me in any way shape or form like i shouldnt be respected or like a piece of poo n not a lady ill block phone n be done im standing up for me now i never used to. I have 5 months without him so far i miss him maybe the next month it will be different but i love him n miss him right now

I understand. Just follow through with what you are telling him. Change can happen but it takes a lot of consistency and following through. You know? Make him accountable and hold him to it. Good luck!

[Iamjustagirl]

So, he had a baby born premature. He missed his first baby's birth. Instead of him enjoying his visit with her, he was bending over to speak to her by disrespecting you? That is horrible. He sounds like the type that would use his child as a pawn and she deserves better. Sure, you don't want your daughter to be fatherless but in some cases it is just better that the father isn't in the home. You don't want her learning that it is ok to be beaten and disrespected.

[ohsweetmaryjane]

Wow. I can relate to what you are saying to a certain extent. I was in an abusive relationship for two years....he never HIT me, but he did choke me by my necklace, pull his fist back and threaten to hit me, and much, much more. I COMPLETELY understand the whole "but I love him" thing. I too thought my ex could change and maybe he could have but he DIDN'T. And when I got rid of him he moved onto the next girl and started doing the same thing to her.

Here's my feedback....

First of all, I know its hard, but I wouldn't feel a lot of guilt for the kiss with the other guy. Like another poster said, your boyfriend's actions have not demonstrated that he sees what he has with you as a relationship....hitting you while you are pregnant, cheating on you (that condom story is BS, but I think you know that), treating you like crap in the visiting room, and etc. And even if you DO feel guilty, I would NOT EVER, EVER, EVER tell him. Because then if you stay with him when he gets out, he'll make you pay for it again and again. (I'm putting my own stuff in on this though because that's how my ex was....if I ever admitted I did anything wrong he would use that as an excuse to torture me.)

Second, I know you want to stay with him, and if you are determined to do so, here is my suggestion....DO NOT LIVE WITH HIM. It will make it about a million times harder to get out of the relationship if you are all together in an apartment or whatever. Then it will be a much bigger battle. When my ex came home, yes, he stayed here a lot (I own my own home, so there was nothing in his name), but I never let him "move in", never let him put his home plan in here, and he always had a lot of his stuff at his mom's house. Then when he relapsed and started with the abusive behavior again and I decided THIS IS IT, it was MUCH easier to get rid of him because he wasn't REALLY living with me anyway.

I totally feel for you because I can't imagine how hard this all is for you when you have children to worry about as well.

[werewolfsgirl]

Girl you need to leave him. I was in a relationship with a bipolar nut who refused to go see a dr. He thought the world was against him and only wanted to over medicate him. He says medicating someone is just what drs do to get money out of you so you keep comeing back. He was very abusive. I swore off all relationships. Thought I could change him. But,you can't. My best friend who is also bipolar talked some sense into me. My bestfriend and I have been together now on and off for ten yrs. Yes,I say on and off. There are personal reasons behind that. We where young and stupid. Lol your man can learn to control his anger. Bipolar or not. I know a lot of bipolar people and a lot of them don't act like that. Being bipolar is an excuse. Sorry

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[Damask8]

Theres a lot of drama to this story, and a lot of opinions, but I'm still stuck on the whole fight where he wouldn't help you clean, and you told him to leave, and he told you he was going to get some ...??

1. Why are you kicking him out over him not helping you clean? Aren't there other ways to handle that situation?
2. Why is he threatening you with that, whether it was true or not, thats not cool at all.

Have you observed your own personal conduct on how you treat him? Because it seems as if both of you are at fault and have anger issues. It doesn't make it ok for him to abuse you back, but if you treat your Sig other as a child, they will act like one. Communication is key. If you want him to stop playing Xbox and start helping you around the house, kicking him out (making him leave the house, whatever)isn't the answer to working on communication, its a power trip move, and adds fuel to the fire.

I am in no way saying that you deserve to be treated badly, because you do not. If you want to fix this relationship, i think communication should be first. Tell him that you want to work on your own issues too, and ask him what he needs from you to fix, and then I feel like he will be more apt to listening to what you need from him.

And a side note: Medication will not correct his anger and how he deals with his anger.

[missjax]

Originally Posted by tmoney13

Theres a lot of drama to this story, and a lot of opinions, but I'm still stuck on the whole fight where he wouldn't help you clean, and you told him to leave, and he told you he was going to get some ...??

1. Why are you kicking him out over him not helping you clean? Aren't there other ways to handle that situation?
2. Why is he threatening you with that, whether it was true or not, thats not cool at all.

Have you observed your own personal conduct on how you treat him? Because it seems as if both of you are at fault and have anger issues. It doesn't make it ok for him to abuse you back, but if you treat your Sig other as a child, they will act like one. Communication is key. If you want him to stop playing Xbox and start helping you around the house, kicking him out (making him leave the house, whatever)isn't the answer to working on communication, its a power trip move, and adds fuel to the fire.

I am in no way saying that you deserve to be treated badly, because you do not. If you want to fix this relationship, i think communication should be first. Tell him that you want to work on your own issues too, and ask him what he needs from you to fix, and then I feel like he will be more apt to listening to what you need from him.

And a side note: Medication will not correct his anger and how he deals with his anger.

We always get into it over him sitting on his butt i pay for everything n he wont pick up and i had asked him alot before hand days n days n he couldn't be botherd. I finally said you wont contribute to the house by cleaning you got to go my house is not a hotel thats free with your own personal maid n slave. Hes not moving here period. He can live at his parents n visit us when i see fit

[Klewis]

You sound like an addict (not an addict to drugs) but you sound addicted to the treatment he gives you. You might be in a relationship but he is not in one with you. He is treating you how you have lead him to believe its okay. Why should he change, whats going to happen if he doesn't. Your not going to leave him. I really don't understand why do some women put posts on here like this knowing full well before its all said and done since no one will agree on the treatment he is giving you they will become the people you think is the enemy not knowing you are sleeping with the enemy. This man does not love you, your are a convenience to him. Everything you say he has done to you does not scream I Love You. You say he is not harming your child together so what was your child when you was 8 months pregnant. You now want to focus on the bipolar issue because that draws away from the real issue and the real issue you need help. Its not even about him because can't no one treat us anyway that we do not allow them to treat us. You have to know for a fact you deserve better. You can say it all you want but if you knew you deserved better you would find better and that does not have to be with another man. Finding better means finding love for yourself, treating yourself better, finding peace and happiness.

[FastCarGirl]

It sounds like you may benefit from reading this:

http://www.amazon.com/Emotional-Blac...7865839&sr=8-1

Others have said everything else I would, but if you choose to stay in this relationship, then it may help to have some different tools in your communication arsanal to work with.

[Villa Girl]

If my man ever swung at me, that would be the end of that relationship.

[shezann]

I have 2 kids to 2 different men does that make me a bad person? Some times there are some things that are out of our control.. It doesnt matter how many kids or fathers you have it's how YOU take care of your kids..I felt same and embarrassment for along time and that's because of people like you..What a simple minded comment... To the poor girl who wrote the post follow your heart. It was just a kiss put it to the back of your mind. You've got a couple of months left to think it through. You've got to do what's best for you and your kids. Men come & go your kids are forever.. Good luck with it all..

[MartinezWifey]

Ok I'm just irritated after half the posts so I
Just going to say what I want to say. And this goes for ALL these threads. They are ALL the same. I'm sure someone will get mad, but opinions were asked and I'll be happy to give mine.

You pretty much say he is a crazy abusive asshole who treats you like garbage. Tried or did beat you while 8 months pregnant. Had his mother not pulled him off god only knows what would happen. You say all this then ask for truthful advice. The thing about PTO is that most women have been through this. They are giving you REAL advice. Most PTO women don't sugar coat. Then you (as do ALL the other thread starters with same types of situations) recant practically everything you said and get defensive. Obviously he is a piece of shit. He tried to BEAT YOU WHILE YOU WERE PREGNANT!!!!! Fuck doing it in FRONT of your children he did it TO your child. Why would you defend him? You came here to get answers. I realize how it can feel like people are ganging up on you. But seriously look at your situation... Be smart and get out.
So like I tell any friend of mine in your situation. (and this is another thing that will piss someone off) if you want to stay with him and get your ass beat. Go for it! But be smart enough to not put your children in that situation. They will grow up and abuse or get abused. Stop living in lala land and wake up. If you choose to stay then stop bitching about it. It's your choice but your children have no choice and you are putting them at risk for being hurt.

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[robertandgena]

None of can help who we lovem, we want to believe that we can fix someone or help them somehow, but you really need to think about your baby and whether or not its wise to have her in that kind of environment. I have a daughter who allows her boyfriend to beat on her or be mentally and emotionally abusive, as a mother i know that I did not bring my child into this world to be treated this way. She has two daughters as well and i warn her that someone maybe not me who knows how her relationship is, can end up calling child protective services for allowing her child to live in this kind of environment.lI love my daughter very much and its very difficult for me to involve myself for fear of being judged about my decision to marry my husband who is incarcerated, I jus pray you make a good decision for you and your baby! God bless you and my prayers are with you!

Originally Posted by missjax

Yes we are both diagnosed with bipolar i was medicated heavily for a long time. My insurance doesnt cover my medicine it 100 dollars for one month of the pills i took and im happy how i handle my moods you know not everyone with bipolar has the same effects some are worse n some are mild i consider myself luck. I also suffer from depression and have panic attacks several times a week. Im going thru bloodwork for a thyroid n auto immune disorder they have yet to figure out what it is just that my body is attacking my thyroid. Also I had pre cancerous cells on my cervix n had to get my iud taken out was on birth control for two months and got pregnant same with two of my other kids patch the first nuva ring the third and pills the fourth and i was on each for over the time it takes for them to work a month taking them at the same time always set an alarm to take them. My children have never seen us fight or argue i wont allow that. He did hit my lip with a credit card but no where did i say he hit me with his hands i said he attacked me n swug on me. He had grabbed me never hit with hands. I said he has bipolar n anger n possession issues. I take care of my kids i can afford to rent a house n provide n they love me n i love them and show them it daily n i protect them. Its my relationship with him that is the issue and that doesn't involve them bc i dont allow it to other than in a positive manner. As for me n him fighting that started when i got pregnant not from the beginning. N i have known him since jr high. As for this relationship being "real" it is. No its not a good one but it used to be. And finally since you are on this form i can assume a love one of yours has made a mistake in life or was in a bad situation or wrongfully judged so who are you to judge me based on a few things i have wrote. What makes me immature or not a mature woman? Im 26 btw im not young but im not grown. Do you know me? Are you in the right position to point a finger or cast stones at someone you dont know? Only god can judge me n he says not to judge others! I asked for feedback on telling him or not bc i felt guilty and its a bad sito i gave the past info as hes done bad is kissing a guy a huge deal. I didnt ask for someone to judge me and cut me down for dating the guy you would think by reading my post you would know i have enough issues n things on my plate. Talk about kicking someone when they are down. either way ill say thanks just bc im nice n may god bless you

[missjax]

I put the info of what he did to me to compare to me kissing another guy im not asking you opinion on my relationship im going to do what i want. Im basically asking if its a bad idea bc what he has done in the past. i will sit back and listen to your opinions but i know what hes.doing on the inside n i know he has a long road of growing up n straighting up ahead of him n thats his choice he asked for help admitted he has many problems if he does change for the better it was all.worth it if he doesn't.im gone gone.gone. i was 8 months prego hormonal n not thinking clearly n let him stay. Now i know whats best for me. I believe in second chances and people can change i know this is not a overnight process. I have 5 months to be a stong woman in the case of not allowing my self to be a doormat and or physical n emotional punching bag. If he gets out n shows any sign of the man he was before he went im gone for my kids and myself. Period. I dont have to be with him bc of a child im raising her and my other kids without him now.

[missjax]

Originally Posted by shezann

I have 2 kids to 2 different men does that make me a bad person? Some times there are some things that are out of our control.. It doesnt matter how many kids or fathers you have it's how YOU take care of your kids..I felt same and embarrassment for along time and that's because of people like you..What a simple minded comment... To the poor girl who wrote the post follow your heart. It was just a kiss put it to the back of your mind. You've got a couple of months left to think it through. You've got to do what's best for you and your kids. Men come & go your kids are forever.. Good luck with it all..

Thank you n your right men come and go i don't know what post that ur talking about but im assuming someone was talking bad about me haing four kids. not a shock. Im going to use the time away to benefit me. But thanks for ur advice about the kiss. God bless u n ur family

[MartinezWifey]

Originally Posted by missjax

I put the info of what he did to me to compare to me kissing another guy im not asking you opinion on my relationship im going to do what i want. Im basically asking if its a bad idea bc what he has done in the past. i will sit back and listen to your opinions but i know what hes.doing on the inside n i know he has a long road of growing up n straighting up ahead of him n thats his choice he asked for help admitted he has many problems if he does change for the better it was all.worth it if he doesn't.im gone gone.gone. i was 8 months prego hormonal n not thinking clearly n let him stay. Now i know whats best for me. I believe in second chances and people can change i know this is not a overnight process. I have 5 months to be a stong woman in the case of not allowing my self to be a doormat and or physical n emotional punching bag. If he gets out n shows any sign of the man he was before he went im gone for my kids and myself. Period. I dont have to be with him bc of a child im raising her and my other kids without him now.

Sounds like a plan. I don't mean to sound like a bitch. I am VERY blunt to the point of pissing people off. I tell my neighbor the same shit everyday. I also let her know that kids are smarter than we think. They know more than the they lead on to believe. I've been through all this myself.
My husband used to hit me and he changed. The problem with what you've said is that he doesn't do shit for you. Won't help with bills, kids, or house work. What does he do for you? You need to make a list of pros and cons. What he did at visit us unacceptable. Doesn't matter that she can't understand him. I don't tolerate bullshit. My man put his hands on me and got thrown in jail. Plain and simple. It's not just his anger issues girl. He ain't doing anything that a REAL man does.

As for the kissing? That depends. 2 wrongs don't make a right. But, it does not seem as though you have a relationship to be doing anything wrong to. Uh, if that makes sense. You put money on the phone just for him to make you feel like shit? Do the pros and cons. Try and stick it out as friends/support/baby daddy, but don't invest everything into him while on the inside when he couldn't invest in you on the outside. That $500 you spent to get bitched at would be a good start on a home fund, or college savings account, or a million other things that would be a million times better. Distance yourself, but explain why. Not on the phone or in person, in a letter. He can't cuss out, interrupt, or hit a letter. It will get your point/concerns out easier and he can read it over and over. It will set better and he can swallow it and show improvement or not. But it's easy to be a nice, sweet husband while locked up. Stay friends and after he gets out you could start over. Being locked up sometimes creates a false sense of security that someone has changed. Be careful and just realize that your kids know more than you think. Unless you told them the truth about your busted lip then you've already lied to them and (if they ever find out truth)shown them that it's ok to lie to the people you love to protect the person that is hurting you, therefore proving to them it's ok, as long as you love the person. Big no-no.

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[NikNak88]

Originally Posted by shezann

I have 2 kids to 2 different men does that make me a bad person? Some times there are some things that are out of our control.. It doesnt matter how many kids or fathers you have it's how YOU take care of your kids..I felt same and embarrassment for along time and that's because of people like you..What a simple minded comment... To the poor girl who wrote the post follow your heart. It was just a kiss put it to the back of your mind. You've got a couple of months left to think it through. You've got to do what's best for you and your kids. Men come & go your kids are forever.. Good luck with it all..

Who was this directed at? I mentioned her having 4 kids with 4 men NOT because of the number of kids...it could have been 2, 7 or 11. It doesn't matter AT ALL how many children a person has, or how many fathers, as long as she can take care of them. And NO it doesn't make her or you for that matter, a bad person. I NEVER said it did! For all you know, I could have 5 kids with 4 different men......My reason for saying that was because it seems she has bad luck with men in general. She's already went through 4. And that comment would still stand if she had ZERO kids, but say, was married 9 times. If 9 marriages don't work out, the right man just isn't coming around and perhaps she should concentrate just on her and her babies and not worry about men for a while. The right one will show up one day. Does that make sense? So if you were saying my comment was simple minded, Im not sure how. It had absolutely nothing to do with the number of children she has or the number of fathers that made them. Maybe this was meant for someone else, I don't know. I didn't get a chance to read all of every post.

Again, to the OP, you need to do what YOU feel in your heart is the RIGHT thing to do. All we are doing is giving advice and opinions, but at the end of the day, you have to and will, make your own decision. Good luck to you.

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[missjax]

Originally Posted by MartinezWifey

Sounds like a plan. I don't mean to sound like a bitch. I am VERY blunt to the point of pissing people off. I tell my neighbor the same shit everyday. I also let her know that kids are smarter than we think. They know more than the they lead on to believe. I've been through all this myself.
My husband used to hit me and he changed. The problem with what you've said is that he doesn't do shit for you. Won't help with bills, kids, or house work. What does he do for you? You need to make a list of pros and cons. What he did at visit us unacceptable. Doesn't matter that she can't understand him. I don't tolerate bullshit. My man put his hands on me and got thrown in jail. Plain and simple. It's not just his anger issues girl. He ain't doing anything that a REAL man does.

As for the kissing? That depends. 2 wrongs don't make a right. But, it does not seem as though you have a relationship to be doing anything wrong to. Uh, if that makes sense. You put money on the phone just for him to make you feel like shit? Do the pros and cons. Try and stick it out as friends/support/baby daddy, but don't invest everything into him while on the inside when he couldn't invest in you on the outside. That $500 you spent to get bitched at would be a good start on a home fund, or college savings account, or a million other things that would be a million times better. Distance yourself, but explain why. Not on the phone or in person, in a letter. He can't cuss out, interrupt, or hit a letter. It will get your point/concerns out easier and he can read it over and over. It will set better and he can swallow it and show improvement or not. But it's easy to be a nice, sweet husband while locked up. Stay friends and after he gets out you could start over. Being locked up sometimes creates a false sense of security that someone has changed. Be careful and just realize that your kids know more than you think. Unless you told them the truth about your busted lip then you've already lied to them and (if they ever find out truth)shown them that it's ok to lie to the people you love to protect the person that is hurting you, therefore proving to them it's ok, as long as you love the person. Big no-no.

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My kids dont know about my lip it was on the inside. N he is going to get a job or im done too. Im letting them order support. We technically arent together until he proves himself but we are in a sense. We are working forward to it. Yeah i spent alot of money n i could have used it for other things but $ is not something i lack. I write him how i feel tough love i call it. And he understands and apologized but i explain to him even if i forgive him it still happened n ill never forget it.

[InLoveWithaG]

didnt your original post ASK PEOPLE TO BE RUDE IF NECESSARY, not saying its appropriate but you did say that...so you cant be upset when people take you up on your offer. Obviously you love him, but if he is really doing this then whats the point, people dont hurt those they truly love, at least not the way hes hurting you. No ones man is by anymeans perfect, we are on a forum dedicated to women whos bfs and husbands are in jail or prison for gods sake, but take time to think about your children, especially your daughter...what does she learn from watching her mother struggle in such a destructive relationship, do you want her to think this is right?

[heartbreak]

I don't really understand why you are getting so mad/upset with what everybody is posting. I think you need to reread what you typed because you made him sound like a big douche . You even made comments of him cheating, then you are also bringing up that he came at you while you were prego and had his mom not come in when she did, god only knows being that he came at you swinging closed fist. I understand that your main question was do you or do you not tell him about your kiss. I get that, I really do, but in most women and mothers eyes that kiss is nothing compared to the big picture. I have a question for you if you don't mind? Why would you want to stay with someone if they have already said that had it not been for your daughter he wouldn't be with you anyways? Why fight for something, when it seems that only one of you are fighting for it. It is a battle that never can be won. I am not trying to judge nor tell you what you should do with your relationship. I am however just trying to let you see where everybody else who is concerned with you are coming from. I hope you do alot of thinking before July gets here and figure out what it is your really want. 1) to be with you daughters father so that he will be in her life unlike your sons father is in his. 2) someone that would respect you and treat you like the godess you are suppose to be. Good luck in whatever it is you decided.

[bamboo'swife]

All I can say is WOW!!!! I have to be straight up because it doesn't benefit ANYONE to sugar coat regarding this topic. I am sadenned by the fact that an unborn baby's life was threatened by her father and the mother has to THINK about whether or not she still wants the father to be in her life. If that wasn't a deal breaker already, he made an absolutely horrific comment to her at visiting (regardless if she understood what he said or not). It just makes my heart hurt and I personally fear what this man will do next? If he didn't care about his child...he don't care about sh*#!!!! It perplexes me that someone would put their children in jeopardy knowing that there is even the slightest chance of being hurt or even seeing their mother get hurt. I don't care if it's 1 child or 99 children...they didn't ask to be here and they deserve to be protected by their mother... and my final my 2 cents...run don't walk to the nearest therapist and get help for you and your children. I pray you make the right decision for you and your children.

[Hugaboom]

You'll have to excuse the responses that you are getting on here but your ultimate question that you wanted advice on seems to shrink behind the much, MUCH larger problem at hand. It's as if you begin to explain a stain on your dishes from cooking meth and then want an answer on how to remove the stains.

It really does seem as if you can't see the forest for the trees and so I don't see the effectiveness of trying to force you to see the obvious but please believe many of these women speak from experience. They only want the best for you. Good luck.

[MartinezWifey]

Originally Posted by Hugaboom

It's as if you begin to explain a stain on your dishes from cooking meth and then want an answer on how to remove the stains. .

This is THE best analogy I've heard in a long time. Yea I know random. Sorry.

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